[yahoo woj report]Nuggets Looking Into Three-Way Trades

For the record: I want absolutely nothing to do with Anthony Randolph.

 

We're already contenders as is. Deepest team in the league, remember? Theres a minor setback at SF, but that is all it is, minor.

 

HOMERISM ?????????

WTF is that?

Maybe we should call people wanting Thugelo, ENVYISMs......

Folks who peer at the shiny object in the stream and covet it, without thinking about whether or not it actually makes the team better.

DD

 

We are definitely not contenders until the status of Yao is known. Our backcourt is one of the worst defensive starting back courts in the league and until we learn how to play defense and not give up 110 points a game then you can consider us contenders. But as of right now we are not.

 

That's why I use Google translator.

 

I think it's a forgone conclusion that DM makes a splash worthy trade this season.

He isn't going to just let the contracts of Jeffries and/or Battier expire.

 

How does adding Carmelo Anthony not make us better?

Any GM in the league would tell you that Melo is better than anyone on our current roster.

 

I don't want Anthony Randolph in a Rockets uniform unless he can guard SFs like Rashard Lewis, if only because I would never start Randolph over Scola (and potentially Patterson) at PF absent unique match-up considerations. Moreover, I would never trade away either or both of out Knicks picks and/or the MLE for a bench player, especially when, IMHO, we have a glaring weakness at the SF slot (at least offensively). With that said, I think Randolph can help with us offensively from the wing (inside the 3 pt. line) and the high post, especially since Scola, Hayes, Patterson and Yao are most effective in the low post IMHO. If Randolph can develop an outside shot (he doesn't have one right now), then he will be better for us than getting Carmelo Anthony and trading away Martin, or getting Carmelo Anthony and trading away our depth and trade asserts.

If you are worried about what Anthony Randolph playing SF because he can't convert on FGAs outside of 20 feet, just remember that you don't need a dead-eye shooter from 3 pt. range in order to be successful. Just look at Sidney Moncrief, Adrian Dantley, and Mark Aguirre. With Randolph/Battier/Budinger at SF, Scola/Patterson/Hayes/Hill at PF and Yao/Miller/Hayes/Hill at Center, we could lead the league in blocked shots and rebounding. As far as I can tell, the trade off with having Brooks, Martin, Randolph, Scola and Yao on the floor together at the same time comes when we play teams with potent perimeter threats at PG and SG, if only because Brooks (size, build) and Martin (heart?, lateral quickness) are not known for their defense even though they play getter defense than for which they are given credit.

 

Didnt see this posted, but seems relevant

The Knicks' cold pursuit of Melo

When discussing the Knicks' shot at landing Carmelo Anthony via trade, it's been widely reported that the Knicks' assets alone aren't strong enough for Denver.

As such, it seems the team's best shot of landing him might be if he stays with the Nuggets this season, and then opts to sign with the Knicks in free agency next summer.

One issue for New York is its lack of first-round picks, something we touched on previously Thursday.

So what about involving a third team to try and get a more attractive package on the table for the Nuggets?

According to Alan Hahn of Newsday, the Knicks haven't tired to include a third team.

"I don't think they're being as aggressive as they should," one source told Hahn.

Another source told Hahn discussions between the teams have come to a "moot point."

Yet, ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reported the team has attempted to include a third team, but such attempts have been "futile" and the team is "currently on the outside looking in."

As such, continue to expect the Knicks to be a longshot to land Anthony if he gets traded in the coming weeks -- no matter the fact that he's reportedly listed New York as his top destination.

-- Ryan Corazza


from espn insider

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors


Also talks about how nets, specifically Coach Avery Johnson saying they are not trading favors... interesting

 

No doubt, Melo would make us better, but he is not necessary in order for us to contend. You are quick to call someone a homer when in fact homerism has nothing to do with it. I just know my team because i, unlike you, have been watching the same nucleus of guys for the last 3 seasons give all the good teams in the league hell. They finally have the pieces they need around them, even with Yao playing 24 mins, to make alot of noise in the playoffs. Go back and look over the past 2 seasons at all the changes that the team has gone through and were still able to compete at a high level.

 

This is true.

Dude has been a beast in the playoffs the past few seasons.

 

I'm not sure people are understanding that the minute Melo goes to NY, the picks we hold lose value quickly.

Why not use them, if he is for sure going to NY anyways and not coming here, to get young talent before the picks are worthless...

Randolph, Gallo, whoever. Hell bring in a 4th team. Get something for the picks while you can...

If you don't get in the Melo trade, you probably better find another trade quick...

 

Really? Any GM?

I think both Yao and Martin are as productive as Melo, and Brooks is not that far behind.

Then you add in Scola and Lowry and CBud and a few others and the team is well put together.

Now consider what you would have to give up to get Melo, does giving up a lot of talent make you better, or worse?

That depends entirely on what you are giving up, and how Melo fits in with what is left, you can take the history of how Melo plays and extrapolate that out to his tenure in Houston....

He doesn't pass the ball, and he doesn't play defense, and he doesn't play hard all the time.

I am sorry, but that does not equal a much better player, or even a superstar.

To me, Superstar players do more than just score the ball, was George Gervin a Superstar? Was JR Rider?

To me, if you are going to give up significant pieces, you better be damned sure you are going to be a better team after the trade.

Melo is way way way too risky to be assured of that, unless you are getting him like you did in the Artest deal....basically for expirings and marginal rotation players.

DD

 

were not giving anything back to Ny if the knicks really want their pick back that bad, there gona have to do better than anthony... we already have more assets than we know what to do with them, pretty soon there gona start losing value aswell

 

Somewhere on here I've mentioned that Anthony reminds me of Adrian Dantley, who used to give the Rockets fits back in the day. That's meant as a compliment to Anthony, for those who don't recall Dantley.

 

No one on our team can score at will. You can't trust anyone on our team as currently composed with the ball at the end of games. Melo can, and has been doing, both of those things since he came into the league. If a deal comes along for a guy like Melo, you've gotta do your best to get it done.

Also, no Brooks is nowhere near close to Melo's production.

 

Agree with you about your team that you have been watching for the past 3 years, yes they can make some noise in the first round of the playoffs and possibly the second round if all the planets line up correctly. But in my own objective opinion they are far from being contenders for the title.

 

The main job of a superstar player is to score the ball. Melo is an elite offensive player. The Rockets have good offensive players, but none are elite like Melo. Not to mention Melo is clutch.

Do you consider Durant a superstar player?

 

you talking about carmelo anthony or anthony randolph?

dantley was like 6'5" and stocky, with an unstoppable midrange J

 

Dantley was one hell of a player.