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[YAHOO]Top 10 Draft Busts--Eddie is not on the list!

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by YallMean, May 24, 2005.

  1. YallMean

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    I think Kandi and Eddie should get the honorary mentioning to that list. Kwame and Darko are tied #1 IMO, considering Kwame was drafted #1 and never produced anything when actually given some minutes.


    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...Q--?slug=jl-lottery052405&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    Twenty years ago, David Stern introduced the best game show in sports – the NBA draft lottery live from Secaucus, N.J. – giving us the chance to see respected personnel men lose their minds and celebrate like Showcase Showdown winners.

    Like most real-life lottery winners, teams with the No. 1 selection haven't always known what to do with their sudden good fortune. Not everyone has had a decision as easy as the late Dave DeBusschere, who took Patrick Ewing with the first pick determined by the inaugural lottery in 1985.

    For every can't-miss talent (Ewing, Shaquille O'Neal), there have been monumental errors (Pervis Ellison, Michael Olowokandi).

    In honor of the lottery's 20th birthday, Yahoo! Sports presents the 10 worst lottery picks of all time (in reverse order):

    10. Pervis Ellison, 1989, No. 1 pick
    At the time, drafting Ellison first overall was a no-brainer. As a freshman at Louisville, "Never Nervous" Pervis led the Cardinals to the 1986 national championship as the tournament's Most Outstanding Player.

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    But injuries kept the 6-foot-10 Ellison from ever living up to his top-pick status. He began his rookie year with the Sacramento Kings on the injured list because of foot and ankle surgery, and played only 34 games. After just one season, the Kings traded Ellison to Washington, where he averaged a career-best 20 points and 11.2 rebounds in 1991-92 and won Most Improved Player honors. But after that breakout year, his game slipped into a severe decline mostly due to bad knees. Ellison ended up missing more than 400 games in his 11 NBA seasons.

    9. Jonathan Bender, 1999, No. 5 pick
    The Toronto Raptors basically drafted the McDonald's All-American Game MVP for the Indiana Pacers, who acquired Bender to further their long-term plan to become younger and more athletic. The Pacers are still waiting on the 7-foot Bender, who's now 24 and has averaged only 5.6 points and 2.2 rebounds a game and just 39 games each season during his six-year career. Knee problems have limited Bender to 28 games total the past two seasons.

    8. Chris Washburn, 1986, No. 3 pick
    The Golden State Warriors' endless search for a big man includes the brief yet ugly stint of the 6-11 center from North Carolina State. The Warriors ignored Washburn's questionable character and chose to focus on his raw power and immense potential. Unmotivated, Washburn averaged just 3.1 points and 2.4 rebounds and played only 72 games in two seasons for Golden State and Atlanta before being banned from the league for testing positive for drugs three times.

    7. Jon Koncak, 1985, No. 5 pick
    Not easily bent … Lacking in suppleness or responsiveness … Impeded in movement. Look up "stiff" in Webster's dictionary and those are the primary definitions. In NBA lexicon, stiff is the label affixed to grossly underachieving big men. Koncak, a 7-foot center from SMU who averaged only 4.5 points and 4.9 rebounds in 11 seasons, became the poster boy for the term. The Atlanta Hawks compounded their mistake by inexplicably rewarding him for four unproductive seasons with a long-term contract in 1989.

    6. Robert Traylor, 1998, No. 6 pick
    You can question the Los Angeles Clippers' selection of Michael Olowokandi with the first pick all you want. But as far as 1998 lottery picks go, the worst decision involved the Milwaukee Bucks and Robert Traylor. The Bucks dealt their No. 9 selection and Pat Garrity for Traylor, who was selected three spots earlier by the Dallas Mavericks. "Tractor" Traylor never got rolling in Milwaukee, averaging just 4.5 points and 3.2 rebounds in two seasons. So who did the Bucks trade away for Traylor? A young power forward from Germany named Dirk Nowitzki.

    5. Kwame Brown, 2001, No. 1 pick
    Perhaps no top pick in the lottery era has had to deal with more pressure than Brown, the first high schooler to be taken No. 1 overall. Not only did Brown endure the pressure of having been hand-picked by Michael Jordan as the Washington Wizards' future franchise player, he also had to withstand the daily scrutiny of Jordan as his teammate. Four inconsistent, injury-marred seasons later, Brown probably will be allowed to walk as a restricted free agent this offseason, his suspension in the playoffs for blowing off practice and a shootaround having secured his ticket out of town.

    4. Nikoloz Tskitishvili, 2002, No. 5 pick
    Kiki Vandeweghe quietly admitted the mistake of drafting Tskitishvili last February when he dealt the 7-foot Georgian to Golden State in a trade deadline-day footnote. Like the rest of the league, the Denver Nuggets general manager got caught up in the league's search for the next Nowitzki and the growing hype surrounding foreign players. Tskitishvili, due to his size and exceptional outside shooting, drew comparisons to Nowitzki. But Vandeweghe gambled on the wrong 19-year-old. Amare Stoudemire, the eventual Rookie of the Year and Phoenix Suns All-Star, was drafted four spots after Tskitishvili.

    3. Randy White, 1989, No. 8 pick
    The Dallas Mavericks couldn't resist choosing the 6-8, 240-pound White, who was touted as the next Karl Malone. Problem was, the Mavs could have had the real thing four years earlier. They promised Malone that they would take him with the ninth pick in the 1985 draft, but they ended up passing on Malone and selecting Detlef Schrempf instead. The only thing White had in common with Malone was their alma mater (Louisiana Tech). White totaled 2,083 points and 1,366 rebounds in five seasons with Dallas – or 34,845 points and 13,602 rebounds fewer than the future Hall of Famer Malone.

    2. Dennis Hopson, 1987, No. 3 pick
    The New Jersey Nets ranked near the bottom in scoring (18th out of 23 teams) in the 1986-87 season, so they chose one of the top collegiate scorers in Hopson, a small forward who averaged nearly 30 points a game as a senior at Ohio State. Hopson averaged 13.1 points in three seasons with the Nets, who traded him to Chicago in 1990 for a first-rounder and a future second-rounder. The small forward taken two spots after Hopson turned into a seven-time All-Star and helped the Bulls win six NBA titles. His name: Scottie Pippen.

    And the worst lottery pick in NBA history …

    1. Darko Milicic, 2003, No. 2 pick
    Maybe the 7-footer from Serbia-Montenegro will play himself off this list and become everything Detroit Pistons general manager Joe Dumars dreamed he could be. But for now, the 19-year-old Milicic stands as the biggest bust because of who Dumars could've drafted instead.

    The three players taken after Darko – Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade – all have emerged as franchise players and, in the case of Anthony and Wade, superstars that the league can market. Having already built a title contender, Dumars had the luxury of selecting the best player available. Milicic, who has two starts in his 71 career games, has some serious catching up to do to match his fellow lottery picks' success.


    Joe Lago is an NFL and NBA editor at Yahoo! Sports.
     
  2. KaiSeR SoZe

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    Kandiman should be on there for sure
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Washburn should have been #1. And no Sam Bowie over Jordan invalidates this list completely.


    It was interesting to see that P. Ellison had a 20-10 season. I had no idea.
     
  4. cson

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    :D just made me laff
     
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    i guess i just think its way too early to say darko is a bust. the kid is still only 19 and he hasn't looked bad when i've seen him in games. i dunno...i guess time will tell.
     
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    How can Darko be a bust if he hasnt even really played yet??? And the article even says that hes only 19. What trash.
     
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    unless i'm missing something, the first draft lottery was for the 1985 draft and ewing b/c the rockets kept stealing all the #1 picks, so bowie over jordan in '84 doesn't count.
     
  8. YallMean

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    Yeah one thing I dont like about this guy's logic, he is comparing with the later picks to justify if it's a bust.
     
  9. LegendZ3

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    What about Shawn Bradley? Joe Smith?

    And if the Kandiman isn't a bust, I don't know who is. Look at the names the Clippers passed up on:
    Mike Bibby, Antawn Jamison, Vince Carter, Jason Williams, Larry Hughes, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Bonzi Wells, Matt Harpring, Ricky Davis, Rashard Lewis, Rafer Alston, Cuttino Mobley.
     
  10. YallMean

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    Yeah, forget all about big Shawn, the #2 pick. :eek:

    Joe Smith actually had a productive career so far I think. I would love to have him if we can sign him cheap. Is he still around?
     
  11. A-Train

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    I was thinking Joe Smith, also, but he's average 12 and 7 over 10 years and averaged 18 ppg one season. As far as #1 picks go, he's definitely a bust, but not in the top 10 as far as overall lottery picks...

    Bradley should have never been a lottery pick in the first place. He only had one OK season at BYU and hadn't played basketball in two years when he was drafted...The Sixers just f'd up big time. He has averaged 2.5 blocks in only 23 minutes per game over his career...
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're absolutely right. My bad.
     
  13. kpsta

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    I had to re-read #3 twice... I really didn't know that. Had Dallas selected Karl Malone in 1985, I bet I would have hated the Mavericks even more than I do now. That would have been a sweet rivalry though... denying the dreams of Karl Malone as an intrastate rival for the past 20 years.
     
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    Where in the world is Jay Williams?

    This is a stupid list, because the guy obviously doesn't have a set standard on which to go on. No logical reasoning behind his selections and why in that particular order.
     
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    What was weird was that when Koncak was at SMU, he used to own Dream. After he went pro though, he was the definition of a stiff.
     
  16. KellyDwyer

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    We're working on something like that at SI, and I thought about including EG -- because I completely forgot that he came back to Minnesota this season.

    I don't want to rip on Lago, but Darko Milicic? The guy turned 18 a week before the Draft, and been buried on A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM?!?

    And Pervis averaged 20 and 10 for a season, that's hardly a bust. The guy was in the league as recently as 2000-01. He may have sucked balls, but he's hardly a bust.
     
  17. MLittle577

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    WTF is Sam Bowie?
     
  18. YallMean

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    He justifies it by comparing what picks were passed for Darko. A fair comparison should be guys in their prime, and what kind of production they produce.
     
  19. KellyDwyer

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    Lottery-era players only.

    To me, including Darko (and putting him first) seems like an easy way out, a way to make your article accessible to fairweather sports fans that don't care much for the NBA. I mean, the Cavaliers nearly crippled their entire team trading picks plus Ron Harper to the Clippers for Danny Ferry (2nd overall), and he didn't even make the top ten.

    NBA nerds like us see Darko as a 19-year old 7-footer who can shoot, jump, board, and is getting stronger even without a single appearance on a Summer League team. A gutsy, strange pick (that enervates us even more with Darko unfortunate alliance with Chad Ford), but still a solid one. Anthony wouldn't fit on the Pistons (this is coming from an admitted Tayshaun-slurper), though Wade and Bosh would rock in blue (Bosh wouldn't play much, but still ...). Maybe a bust, but not the biggest bust in the last 20 drafts.

    And leaving off Kandi is just a joke. Like Yallmean said, his entire argument was comparing the 'busts' to the players drafted after him. If this is the basis for the article, then Kandi should be number one -- not left off the list entirely. He lists Tractor Traylor from the same 1998 Draft, but I'd rather have Traylor's passing and rebounding skills, to say nothing of his affordable contract (a FA this summer, I believe, who is opting out) than Kandi.
     
  20. gucci888

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    No Kandiman? That is outrageous!! Kandi is one of the worst busts in the HISTORY of sports.
     

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