Why should wins have anything to do with it? Why should the relative missteps of Danny Ferry and Mitch Kupchak (a few years ago) have anything to do with how an individual player is judged?
I dont think it should Kelly, but the fact is in the history of voting, that is one of the main consistent things. We pretend its an individual award but the media takes team wins into account. As I said, LeBron has my vote but the truth of the matter is, your peers will ignore what he's doing yet again in favor of the wins his team was able to produce.
How is it a slap in the face bro? And how the heck is it disrespectful to CP3? . . I was only showing a comparison to one of the most dominant PG's in the NBA today, and also being in his 12th NBA season versus CP3's 3rd, I think it's not a slap in the face to compare him to Nash, but an honor.
dissing writers as never doing any homework and simply going with popular opinion on their votes (doesn't just apply to nba mvp voting), dissing a steve nash mvp award, actually looking at things critically instead of just "well they have more wins", picking the right mvp. this is good, this article. how people can be shocked or appalled that someone would pick lebron just amazes me. does this board hate lebron that much, is it just a general thing among nba fans, or are people just that basketball stupid? the guy is putting up 30/8/7.5 with 2 stls and 1 blk per game, his team is like 0-6 without him (and not even a good, hard fought 0-6), and he's leading the league in 4th quarter scoring by a huge margin, and you can't understand how it's even close b/t him and kobe? not even close? so many posts just being of the immature, not backed up by anything, "something something, period!!" or "you're a hater" variety is what always makes sports message boards frustrating to read. you gotta search to find the durvasa's, kelly dwyer's, A3PO's (even if i don't agree with him much), and others of the world who actually think about things and enjoy analyzing a situation on it's merits. i'm actually a big kobe (and thus, lakers) fan and like him more than lebron (even though i'm a lebron fan) but i think lebron deserves it. he effortlessly does what it takes a fantastic effort from kobe to do. he's just so big, strong, and explosive that it basically isn't fair. yeah kobe is more skilled and if kobe had lebron's body he's be illegal, but the box score doesn't have a section for points scored or assists dished based on skills and those scored and dished based on being a physical beast. they count the same. being a freak helps in sports and if that's how you are good, who cares. it helps that lebron has ridiculous court vision and ability to deal with anything a defense throws him. kobe is the 2nd best player right now. and based on past trends, is the type of guy who wins mvp. one of the top 2 or 3 players on one of the top 2 or 3 teams who needs his lifetime achievement mvp (as someone else dubbed it). barkley, hakeem (though he deserved another), robinson, karla (the first time), and shaq (though he deserved more) all got their lifetime achievement mvp's. kobe probably needs his before it's too late. the fact that steve nash has more top 2 mvp finishes (3), than kobe, lebron, and wade combined (1), is ridiculous. so it's good that we're actually back to talking about the mvp being between the actual best players. either one is a very good nba to represent the league, but having better teammates shouldn't make you more valuable. lebron is so ridiculous, carries his team so much, plays good enough D, and is just such a 48 minute and end of game force, that i honestly don't see much argument that he's not the mvp.
Smaller guys than T-Mac take higher percentage shots than he does. And T-Mac isn't a stick by any means, he should be able to absorb contact and get the better shot when the team needs it.
LOL Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league right now and it isn't even close. Stop looking at stats to determine that and if you want to look at stats, send Kobe to east to play vs. the JVs w/ no teammates and watch him CLEAN UP, the guy has already proven he can score 50 pts in 4 straight games, and 81 in 1, now he is playing to win and doing a hell of a job.
i totally disagree. kobe has been kick A$$ and taking names for a few seasons, and not only is has his season been great, but hes been amazing for the past 3 or 4 years. its ridiculous that steve nash won it, and dirk flopwitski has, and he hasnt. kobe is the best player in the L. in a one on one game, you are gonna pick kobe over lebron because not only is he the best offensive player, he is also really good on D, something i give major props for. even tho i hate kobe, he deserves it.
Not that dumb. Best 2 clutch players in the league are: 1) Lebron 2) Kobe http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM
Right, because a guy who's injured 40 games every year and has a career average 0.41 FG% is really REALLY just as good as Odom
Disagree. Lakers had a better winning% without him than with him the past few years. He's proven to be a turnover machine and those turnovers often cost the Lakers a win. He may be the most talented scorer, the most able to pull off difficult shots, but that doesn't make him the best player. And face it, Lebron is much more important to the Cavs than Kobe is to the Lakers. If the Lakers had kobe go down for the rest of the year, don't you think they'd still make a ton of noise in the playoffs? Odom+Gasol+bynum is possibly the scariest frontcourt in the league.
any so-called stats that rank Wade 21st and Duncan 46th (7 spots behind Pargo ) can't be that reliable. According to this stat, Pargo is more clutch than Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen and Duncan---No way
No, according to that stat, Pargo has scored more frequently in the clutch than those players this season. It's not a "so-called stat" ... it's a FACT. The reason, of course, is that Hamilton, Allen, and Duncan all have other players on their team that are go to guys in the clutch. LeBron and Kobe are their team's primary go to guys, so it's a valid comparison for them.
It should not but it does. Why did we not see this article last year when Dirk won MVP? Why did we not see this article when the Rockets were the worst team in the league without McGrady but had a very good chance of beating any team in the league when he was healthy (with or without Yao). It just seems like an article like this would have held more water in years past. I knew MVP was BS when Jordan didn't retire with 10 or 12 of them.
LOL @ those who said Kobe make his teammates(Farmar, Vujacic) better, If Kobe was that great how come he failed to lifts Odom's games? Why is it when the lakers lost, Odom was the one to blame by all the kobe a$$ licker? Caron Butler plays better without Kobe in Wizards, Odom is more efficient without Kobe in the lineups. So saying Kobe make his teammates better is NOT TRUE! Of cause to be fair, Smush Parker still sucks in Heat uniform, Kareem Rush and J. Pargo still ok players. Lebron is a ball hog? A stat padder? Fact is, Lebron has more crappier teammates yet registered higher assist rate than Kobe only proves that he is a more willing passer and is better at setting his teammates ala court vision! How can that translate to a ball hog? Lebron is a way way better rebounder than Kobe is because he is much stronger and has the "WILL" to go after rebounds! Any one who plays basketball will know that grabbing and going after rebounds is all about will and effort. Kobe grabs less rebounds is because he is lazy and wanna save his energy offensively. People who say Lebron steals rebounds from his teammates to pad stats is beyond logic! Kobe is a better defender? Yes but Lebron is not that far behind. Personally i think kobe a better defender is more a reputation thing than facts these days. When is the last time we see kobe locks down his man? During Shaq-era, yes, because back then kobe was able to ride on Shaq' butt offensively for 3 quarters to play great defense then only to be hero in the 4th quarter. Without Shaq, Kobe has to spend more energy offensively thus his defense actually suffer. Not that i said he is a horrible defender now but he is just not that good compare to 5 seasons ago! Conclusion: To win a MVP, we all agree it is based on below 3 categrories (1) Individual stats (2) Importance to the team and (3) Team records Now we compare this criteria between Kobe and Lebron! (1) Individual stats - Lebron James, hands down. Unless kobe goes crazy the last 20 games and Lebron mysteriously sucks till the end! (2) Importance to the team - Cavs are 0-6 without Lebron only proves Lebron's importance and how horrid his teammates are! The Great Kobe Lakers are 5-5, including a 2 points OT win against hopeless Sonics, without Andrew "R you freaking kidding me" Bynum. I guess the 5-5 records was not Kobe's fault cos it was all Odom's fault! (3) Team Records - Lebron with crappier teammates in leastern conference equal to 3rd best records in the East whereas Kobe with 2 all-stars quality teammates and much better supporting casts equal to 2nd best records in the West. So is a tied for team records and in fact the Cavs actually have a 16-12 records against the Western Conference teams which is quite impressive! The Result The 2007-2008 season MVP award goes to.............
Lebron paired with Phil Jackson might be even SCARIER than he already his. They say Lebron is young and will have MVPs later (like some people might have said ago about Kobe though he STILL hasnt), yet even younger Chris Paul can sneak in and get the award? Why cuz Chris Paul might NEVER get an MVP opportunity again so they gotta make it count while he's a hot item? Oh well, can't really be too upset from any of those 3.
I like Kobe over James just becauses Kobe is playing in the west... a battle everyday. Today he pretty much had the team on his back and pulled a come back win. Dont get me wrong, James has some amazing comeback wins also, but hes playing against the likes of New York and Atlanta while Kobes playing against Mavs, suns, etc
well i guess kobe didn't hurt his chances by scoring 17 points in the last 6 minutes to lead the lakers comeback tonight against the kings. scored 12 and assisted on another bucket in their 14-0, 3 minute run to take the lead.
