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[Yahoo Sports] Von Wafer signs with Olympiakos

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jsmee2000, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    You think landry after his rookie year performed at a higher level than wafer last yr? Ok.
     
  2. ILoveTheRockets

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    Will the Rockets be able to sign Taylor& Budinger now that Wafer is gone?
     
  3. RocketGirl6

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    At least he didn't sign with a team in the same conference as us, he won't in competition with us, winning wise. Maybe he'll come back in a couple years with some actual playing time under his belt, and be more mature and then we can maybe resign him.
     
  4. meh

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    Surely you're not joking. Their difference in efficiency is absolutely ridiculous.
     
  5. J.Will.Xu

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    If my memory serves me right,Jermaine has already agreed to terms with Rockets with a multi-year contract. :confused: I'm a bit confused.
     
  6. peleincubus

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    well i think it makes the rockets quite a bit weaker. which is what i want really im just hoping for a high draft pick this year. thats about it :(
     
  7. verse

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    Leeb,

    Given an opportunity to start and play 35 mpg, what do you think Carl's possibilities are? I happen to view his skillset as MUCH higher than scola's. Mentally, probably a smidge lower, but overall a higher ceiling. His midrange J has amare potential, imo.

    On a somewhat separate not, what is ur opine on BGriffin's potential?
     
  8. sbyang

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    Is this Von Wafer or Dwyane Wade??
     
  9. MambaJoe

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    Since the beginning you can tell he is all about himself and about money. When he bump heads with adelmen in the playoffs for more playing time, I think he was trying to put up more numbers and try to put on a highlight for other teams to witness him.

    Ever notice that this guy is all about himself? When he is on a fast break with one or two other teammate and one defender....notice how he NEVER pass the ball and either create a turnover or jack up a horrible shot. He worries about his image more than anything. I personally think he is a selfish player. I am glad that he is no longer in a Rockets uniform. I only want unselfish hard working players to wear a Rockets uniform.

    If Von Wafer would have been a little smarter and a little unselfish, he will get plenty of offers from other teams. But unfortunately, not many teams were interested in him simply because his IQ is low.

    He is talented player but everyone in the NBA is talented. Try to compare him to JR Smith. Sure JR is a bonehead also and both players can shoot and dunk. Both guys make horrible decisions sometimes. But what separate them two is JR Smith is a lot more talented than Wafer. A JR Smith on fire can rip apart any team in the NBA. He can be a defensive nightmare when he comes to play that night. He seem to be unstoppable when he is feeling it and that is why he is valuable. Von Wafer? Well he can make his shot but even if he is on fire and on his best night, he is no where near JR Smith level. If Sasha can shut him down, he is off my books. I can name many role players in the NBa that are better than Von Wafer.

    The reason why he is good this year is because of Rick's offense and the way they exucute his plays. But on a horrible team, all his weakness would be exposed.
     
  10. jVgOwnsYou

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    Landry was way more consistant and he was more efficient with his scoring opportunities. The work he did on the glass and on the defensive end alone made him a more valuable player than Wafer.

    Wafer did one thing: Score. He seemed more valuable than he was last year because we needed his scoring badly when tmac went down. He's definantly not a player I'd commit big bucks to though. Until he figures out how to make an impact on the game without shooting, he will be a bench player in the NBA and most teams already have a 2 that can score off the bench.
     
  11. MambaJoe

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    Sure he will get paid more overseas. I just think that he is not worth a lot of cash for the Rockets to be throwing at him. We offer him a contract, he turned it down, so its too bad for him. I rather not have a player who is all about his stats and money to be playing on this team.
     
  12. Bob Sacamano

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    I asked this to someone else earlier, maybe you saw it, but I'll ask it again. What if a player was willing to leave:

    - The city he grew up in
    - The city were he went to college
    - The team where he just won a championship

    to come to a lesser team so he could have a "bigger role," in other words, to pad his stats. Would you want that player on this team?
     
  13. MambaJoe

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    Put it this way, all Von had to do is sign a 2-3 year deal with the Rockets. If he works hard, play unselfish ball and play smart and continue to grow into a good mature player, then sure he can go fish for a bigger contract. But he is an unknown player with a decent breakout season averaging about 9.7 ppg. It is only one season and he cannot even break the 10 ppg mark. So why do he think teams would just throw big money at him? There are plenty of better players this offseason.

    No teams would just throw big money at a role player who have his best one season averaging 9.7 ppg, don't play defense, not much of a team player, and makes horrible decision. If he have been consistent throughout his career and actually average around 10 ppg every season then maybe...maybe, but just one season with all that on his resume, it will be hard to get a big paycheck.
     
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    Sorry I didn't see your thread. Its cool how we both think the same about him. But honestly, I wouldn't want the Rockets to pay him any higher than they offered him. If he wanted more than no, but I'll take him for cheap. But my answer to your question is NO just because he is a bonehead that thinks all about himself and his stats.
     
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    I'm defending Wafer as much as anybody in this thread, but Landry was clearly better his rookie year than Wafer was last year. Landry was (and is) an absolute beast.
     
  17. meh

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    Surely you're not comparing Ariza's baggage with Wafer's. There's a difference between trying to get out of Kobe/Gasol's shadow, and yelling at your coach because you want more stats in playoff games.
     
  18. MambaJoe

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    My bad, I was referring to Von Wafer not Ariza. I love Ariza wearing a Rockets uniform.
     
  19. leebigez

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    Care to explain? All landry had to do is dunk the ball on most occasions. He didn't have to create a shot for himself. To tell you the truth, he doesn't do it now and I'm a landry fan. Just as those say wafer is easy to replace, i think landry is easier to replace.
     
  20. leebigez

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    I agree about landry, but if it is that high, wouldn't it make more sense to open that potential up and let it go? I mean, is landry any better than Milsap or Bass? Probably not, but he's still a good player.

    I think griffin is going to be really,really good because of a couple of things. He's a very skilled athlete with strong hands,good body, and a hard worker. He also has some nastiness to him which is always great in the nba. The best players play mad for the most part. I think he's going to be a all star very,very soon. Not to mention, he has a very good pg, a pretty good 3 man, and 3 pretty good centers already around him. The pressure is on him to live up to the #1 pick, but there is enough good players that he won't have the burden of say durant to do everything.
     

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