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[Yahoo Sports] Denver plans to deal Cutler

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  1. Two Sandwiches

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    I think Bomar would be a nice pickup in the 5th-7th round. Problem is, you're taking more of a gamble.

    I say use your extra pick on Sanchez. You're potentially getting someone better than Cutler, and it's essentially for free.
     
  2. MadMax

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    because the broncos would have made the playoffs and wouldn't have fired their coach.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    In reverse. Orton is close to a zero in this deal because he isn't a starting caliber NFL QB. We'll see how the Broncos do with the draft picks. If Chris Simms can't beat him out they are in deep trouble.

    On the other hand, the Bears get a young, talented, rocket-armed QB entering his prime. How often does this happen?

    I can't see why this was a bad decision by the Bears. To me, it's plain-as-day the right move. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Broncos slip into oblivion. Firing Shannahan and getting rid of Cutler is a major step backwards for their franchise.
     
  4. Two Sandwiches

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    The only reason I see it as a bad move for the Bears is that they have quite a few holes. They also have no receivers, which is one of the reason why their quarterbacks have looked bad the last few years. Cutler is definitely not going to have stats like he has had in Denver.

    I just think that you can't give up two number one picks in a row unless you have few to no holes on your team.

    I like Schaub and all, but it was hard to swallow for me when we gave up two second round picks for him. I'm glad we did it, but I would not have done it for two firsts...
     
  5. A_3PO

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    You can give up two first round picks when you have a zero of player at the most important position on the team.
     
  6. Two Sandwiches

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    You can, but you can also use those two first round picks to draft a good quarterback, and put a weapon around him.

    Just as important as having a good quarterback is having some good weapons for him to use.
     
  7. tinman

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    Getting rid of Shannahan made no sense to me.
     
  8. B-Bob

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    Think about this: is there any region of the country that appreciates a nice veal cutlet more than the midwest? I'm just saying...
     
  9. A_3PO

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    What makes this work is Cutler is a good QB who could end up being a franchise QB. He's got the arm, is smart enough and has been very productive. But as we all know, drafting QBs is almost like buying a lottery ticket. Ask the Titans and Cards who chose before the Broncos.

    A bird in the hand is worth more than two eggs in the bush, especially for a team like the Bears. For franchises like the Steelers and Pats who seem to always turn #1 picks into gold, maybe not.
     
  10. A_3PO

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    His track record the last few years wasn't very good and I could see why they did it. You can only live off 2 Super Bowls for so long and maybe it was time for a change. But to hire this coach and to end up trading Cutler as a result of firing Shanahan, dumb dumb dumb. This new chapter with the Broncos is off to a very rocky start. The pressure on McDaniels will be doubled and he will get less slack with fans.
     
  11. MadMax

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    this is what my denver fan friends keep saying....mcdaniels better win and he better win soon.
     
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    It really doesn't matter too much who plays QB for Denver. He whoever he may be has Baby TO and Eddie Royal to throw to. Also this gives the Broncos a chance to see what that QB can do for the year so drafting a QB this year may not be the best choice as they have other glaring weaknesses/needs.

    Pick the best DE or DT available at pick 12.

    Hope that Beanie Wells slips to 18. Maybe even reach and take Moreno if Wells isn't available.

    Pick Patrick Chung in round 2. This guy is going to be a stud. Not sure if he'll be available either.
     
  13. Hey Now!

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    there're several key differences that underscore why the cutler situation was so unique. first and foremost, jason campbell sucks. so who cares if your mediocre, easily replaceable QB is upset? besides, i'd think jason campbell is smart enough to recognize that jay cutler is a true upgrade. i mean... you could argue cassel/cutler (even though i don't think it's remotely close), but campbell/cutler?....

    more importantly, jim zorn never lied to jason campbell; he never went behind jason campbell's back; he never tore him down before ever setting foot on a practice field with him.

    reportedly, zorn kept campbell in the loop at every turn - likely because they would have dealt campbell had they landed cutler. if true, this would have also given zorn the opportunity to openly work with campbell to find him a new team/situation to his liking - showing him that care and respect would have made it easier to rebuild the relationship if the deals fell apart. big, grand canyon-sized difference in the way mcdaniels handled the situation.

    zorn also has a year invested in campbell - they have a relationship with each other. if it's a good one, and they trust each other, it's far easier to weather a storm like this because campbell knows, despite this, that jim zorn has his back.
     
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    Alot of people keep saying that Devner got the best of this deal.

    I don't really think so. I doubt all of those picks will turn into a QB with franchise potential or even decent players at any other position.

    Also, McDaniels's hind is on the line...Shannahan had excuse for bad season, because of Super Bowls and occasional playoff appearances. McDaniels is gone, if the Broncos win less than 6 games. He's gone in year 2, if they don't make the playoffs, this year and fail to win next year, also.

    It's almost given that Denver will not even win 8 games and challenge the Chargers for the division. McDaniels is a downgrade at coach, and whoever they get QB will be downgrade from Cutler.
     
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    Ric obviously works for the media. ;)
     
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    Kiper could be right. you never know.
    Jeff George was highly regarded when he came to the league.

    Cutler is not Elway. Ask the Houston Oilers.
     
  17. MadMax

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    what would the houston oilers know about jay cutler?

    hell, you didn't have to be john elway to come back on the oilers....you could be frank reich and it was all good.
     
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    Right, I'm not arguing that the dynamic is the same as the whole Cutler situation. I do think that Campbell realizes he isn't exactly elite QB material, but he can't think he's chopped liver either. What other options do the Skins have behind him? Colt Brennan? Pfffft.
     
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  20. Hey Now!

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    oh, well sure - mel kiper... i mean, does it get any more legitimate than mel kiper?

    frankly, it reads like a guy with his fingers in his ears as he shouts "nahnahnah! i'mnotlisteningtoyou! iwasrightallalong! nahnahnah!" he gives himself away right here: I've been saying he's overrated since day one.

    kiper's a self-serving j-off.
    way to rewrite history, mel. in his 2.5 years, cutler has posted qb ratings of 88.5, 88.1, and 86.0. george didn't post an 86 or better until his *6th year* in the league. in fact, in his first 4 years, george was sub-80 every single year with more INTs (46) than TDs (41). so who, mel, was putting george in the HOF early in his career? who?!! i would love for mel kiper to produce one legitimate document that supports his otherwise baseless claim.
     

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