a mid round pick can turn into a Superstar. Budinger will never be a Superstar. Having a mid round 1st rounder is a big trade chip before the draft.
how about... Knicks get: Tracy McGrady and Mike James (New York gets their guy with Mcgrady and another expiring with James.) Wizards get: Al Harrington, Nate Robinson, and Chase Budinger (Washington gets a couple of expirings with Harrington and Robinson, plus a young piece in Budinger.) Rockets get: Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, and Larry Hughes (Rockets get their guy with Butler, an undderated defensively skilled big man in Haywood, and Larry Hughes' huge expiring contract to spend this offseason/get under the cap.) What yall think?
(1) Budinger plays the same position as Butler, Ariza and Battier. (2) The Rockets won't have the roster spots to draft multiple rookies. (3) This pick will likely be the highest the Rockets have had (and kept) since they drafted Yao Ming. (4) While Chase is solid, his ceiling is not high enough to be a star player. (5) Given the opportunity with a high enough pick, Morey MIGHT be able to pick a future star player. Those are just some of the reasons for being willing to trade Budinger before the first rounder. That said, I agree that Chase is a proven commodity and that the first rounder is definitely a gamble. But do you think that this is outside the realm of the Wizards' thinking? You have to give something to get something.
I think thats decent.. But you're giving away Bud for a guy who basically makes the same stats as Bud, but who plays more minutes.. I say give Bud more time and he'll be more productive. If you're gonna throw in Bud, how bout getting Mike Miller??
What about Iggy and Butler? lolz.... You'll end up giving no matter what. If there's a deal and about winning especially in this economy, then you'll have to do the deal which ever it is.
And that is exactly why we are able to sell high. Chase is a proven commodity. Folks, its not too often you can toss in a mid-second round pick and that actually mean something.
one game hardly makes a case. has butler never gone 3-12? has he never had a shooting slump? of course butler is the better player. he can create his own shot, he's a better defensive player, etc... that's all obvious. however, is he 10X the player chase is? because he's 10X more expensive. not to mention the age difference. butler is on his way down, while chase is on his way up. again, i think butler is a fantastic player and i'm really hoping this trade goes through, but i would really hate to lose chase in this deal because in 3 years chase my be nearly as talented as a 32 year old butler, and will still be on a contract that pays him only $1M.
If we get Caron Butler...who do you think the Rockets will use for that Beast Od The East 3 pack for the Wizards or will they change the team...lol I just thought that was funny
I don't think a deal will ever get reached, because we'd be giving too much. and i'd actually be suprised if something did happen and we'd really never had to move more than Budinger / Lowry to land Iggy/Butler and even at that if their is better deals take em. Can Budinger and Lowry be replaced? Yea!! easier then those other 2 guys.
I'd take that trade as it is. However, the Ariza and Battier position are still a big problem to me. I like Battier. He's my favorite Rocket behind Aaron and Carl. Love for him to say but we need more power. As for Ariza, if he would produce like he was supposed to, we could keep Battier (that way we wouldn't have more than one limited offensive player at once on the floor) and then we'd have a pretty nice rotation when Yao gets back..if only.
First, I don't think you're getting a star in this years draft with a mid-level pick. A real star hasn't been produced from the NBA draft outside of the top 10 in a long while. Maybe I can agree that the pick this year and Chase's value are pretty even, but I still think you keep Chase's known ability over a rookie that you essentially have to start over with. As far as playing alongside Yao, I think Chase's skill set fits perfectly with that system.
Two big problems with this scenario: (1) Not only does Houston not get under the luxury tax threshold, it adds about $12M in additional salary and taxes, with no hope of getting back under the threshold. I just don't see Les Alexander agreeing to take on THAT much in dead salary. (2) Nate Robinson has veto rights for any trade. I'm not so sure he'd waive them to go to the Wizards.
I get what you're saying but It still doesn't stop me from trading him for Butler or sacrificing a 1st round pick to keep him. You may think they are similar in some way but I can't lie to myself and say Bud will become a 2X all star and be a 2nd scoring option on a team. When people think of Chase's ceiling they think of Brent Berry...that says it all. He'll be a great role player.
Off the top of my head, Rondo? And I'm fairly certain Morey can select someone superior to Chase with the 15th-20th pick. I like Chase, but he's ultimately a second-round draft pick, and I would easily give him up for Caron Butler.
Chase as a proven commodity is a big trade chip before the draft too. I don't think we're even close to seeing Chase's ceiling yet, and I'd like to give him the rest of the year to prove himself. I think the throw-in to this trade should be JT over the pick and Chase.
exactly my point. his skill set is a perfect fit here. he's a proven rotation guy who has a lot of potential. even if we get good value from our pick (which could still be a bust), who's to say the guy is going to fit in here? it's better to hold on to known value, then gamble on another first round pick (with a worse contract).
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I would too, if it came to that, but I would like to find another way to make this work without sending Chase.
