I'm not sure about Harrington's bird rights, as he's been traded multiple times -- bird rights are still a bit confusing for me, so I don't know if Washington would get them in this scenario. I think bird rights are valuable, but I wouldn't call them "quite" valuable as not many SnT's realistically happen to make it seem as if holding someone's bird rights is a big asset. (except for Bosh, Wade, etc.) Holding Wade's bird rights is one thing - Haywood or Harrington's? Eh, it's an added bonus, but nothing you do the deal for. This is true, it cuts down their salary this year. By how much I'm not sure, but I don't get the sense that the Wizards are hurting THAT bad financially. They traded for Mike Miller/Foye to make a run for the championship this year with Arenas/Butler/Jamison, but we all know how that's played out. I think now they're more looking to restart by trading what expensive assets they do have for younger/cheaper alternatives. (Sonics traded Allen for Jeff Green, essentially.) This was more of the point I was making - draft picks and young talent from both NY and Houston would have to be included to get Washington to bite. Highly unlikely the Knicks give up a 1st rounder to get the services of McGrady for half a season. The possibility of McGrady in Madison Square Garden is tempting, but not enough to warrant losing a 1st round pick over IMO. Best case scenario is getting them to give up Jordan Hill or Toney Douglas, which we send to the Wizards along with one of our own assets. (whether that be Budinger, 1st round pick, etc.) There is some incentive, but not enough for Washington to do the deal IMO. Caron Butler isn't a drain on their payroll - 10 million is extremely reasonable for a player of his caliber. Further, they can just hold on to him and let him expire at the end of next year - one extra year of Caron is not going to hurt them financially. They're already shaving 6 million off their pay roll by letting Haywood expire this season.
I can't understand why those fans think their players are so highly coveted, when the team has only won 36 games in the last one and half season. But, I can see why they would want a 1st round draft choice.
What Kate81 said. Plus, even if that may be the case, this guy would only be here for the rest of the season and his contract will expire. Cut ties there and let the mad man loose on the other 30 NBA teams cause I don't think Washington would want him back.
He was crazy, he didn't act it on the court (when he saw it) but the facts that Morey and Adelman traded him in less then one season and played Luther Head over him despite his talent should tell you something.
Hell we had one nut and he got us deeper into the playoffs if this nut does the same i'm happy with it. Plus we need someone to contest some shots i'm tired of see people get to the basket with ease
Hmm, I'm late to the party, but good to see talks are happening. I like both Butler and Haywood, so I'd throw the switch on the deal instantaneously if it only involved Mac. Obviously, it won't. So the real question is what else we're giving up. I'd MAYBE part with Budinger, but I'd want way more than just Butler and Haywood if any of our current top 7 were desired. Except maybe Ariza. I've have to sit with my head in my hands for a while to decide whether his potential is still worth keeping or if I'm just fed up.
both great points. this may very well be morey's thinking. however, you also have to examine the possibility of chase's upside if given the minutes/shots. Ariza takes 15 FGA's per game for 15ppg. Butler takes 15 FGA's per game for 17ppg. Chase takes 7.4 FGA's per game for 8ppg. if you give chase ariza's shots, then you already have butler's scoring at 1/10th the price for 4 years. i guess my point about holding onto chase is not that he should be untouchable, but that butler isn't a good enough acquisition to part with him, IMO.
Trade Tracy with Cook expiring contract and a couple of 2nd round picks and some cash considerations to make it more attractive.
You're either really overestimating Chase or really underestimating Butler. Either way, Caron is hands down the better player and is certainly a good enough player to lose Budinger over. Check out Bud's +/- stats with Lowry and without: ---------- WITH WITHOUT DIFFERENCE Budinger +10.2 -13.3 +23.5 courtesy of durvasa: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=181726 As you can see, Chase is greatly enhanced by the presence of Lowry. I think both make the other better, with Chase being someone that can benefit by running with Lowry. Without Lowry? Chase can't break down his defender one-on-one or get off a shot anytime he wants. Caron can. That's the big difference between talents like that.
Why would you trade a proven commodity for a mid-round unknown? We're also actively looking buy draft picks and I assume we'll end up purchasing two or three. So why not trade the pick and keep Chase, seeing as you already know what you have. You have a guy who will keep improving and looks to be a starter at this level in the next year or so.
I'm not sold on Butler like I am Iggy, and Haywood is good this year, but as mentioned may command too much money to be in our long term plans. However, I love the flexibility of this deal. Kevin Durant is my favorite non-Rocket and I'd love a shot at him in 2011. The problem is he is currently the leader of a young Thunder team that he is leading into the playoffs. He may be very happy in OKC (plus they'll be able to offer him the most $$$). If he does leave, I think we have a REAL shot at him, but I don't think he's unhappy or has any reason to be. That said, assuming we can get Durant in 2011, and he gets a max deal, could we also re-sign Yao and Brooks? If we can't re-sign Yao, then how much money will we have to fill in the holes in the roster? I guess all this depends on the new CBA, what Yao, Brooks, Lowry, and Scola demand, and any future trades that happen b/w now and then... but man, I'd LOVE KD in Houston, and would probably cry if it happened.
Most definitely. There was a great comparison between Bud and Korver. I don't see him elevating to Iggy status. Where as if we pick up a Greg Monroe....there is potentially a much higher ceiling moving forward.
Unfortunately, I don't think you can get players like Durant in FA.. You get him through the draft, thats how you got to do it. There are no shortcuts.
that is a fools assumption. have you seen him play in the last month? That you even compare Butler to Budinger is asinine. what about the points he gives up? Have you seen him play defense? We gave Bud Ariza's shots yesterday and guess what? 3-12...12 rebounds(great) -28 yeah -28. The savior is here fellas' here are some more stats for Bud last 3 games he's 8-30
I don't know... Morey is a great drafter and does so with low picks. Brooks, Landry, and Budinger come to mind (yeah he drafted Greene, but only to trade for Artest, so I don't know if he was a $ball guy or just an asset he knew Sacramento would want, so I don't count him). So my question is, what is the highest pick Morey has had to work with? If he can draft Chase, Brooks, and Landry with low picks, just imagine what he can do with a higher pick in a supposedly deep draft class.
