I dont think the Knicks see Nate Robinson in their long term plans. He did go out and "demand" a trade just a few months ago, which he was fined for. I think the Knicks have hope they can retain David Lee, but I see Nate on the move this off-season regardless. I dont know about Nate landing "big money". Just dont see it happening. As far as Chase goes, I see him as a piece Washington would be interested in, esp with the loss of Butler on the wing. The Rockets would have a glut of SF's in Battier, Butler, Ariza, and Budinger, so I see him as expendable in that scenerio. I doubt we can move Battier or Ariza in this specific deal, since teams have to form around Mcgradys huge contract.
McGrady to New York. Harrington and Mobley to Washington. Haywood and Butler to Houston. Definitely a good trade for us. The Knicks would like it too since they appear enamored with McGrady. How much does Washington like Harrington? That's really my question. Alternatively, it could be Hughes and Harrington from NY and Washington could add an extra contract to dump onto us (an expiring one).
I'll say it again: Washington needs A LOT more than expiring contracts for Butler/Haywood. Wizards asked the Blazers for Batum/Rudy for Haywood -- why on earth would they package both Haywood and Butler for expiring? Short answer is, they won't. The Wizards won't really get significant cap relief unless someone's taking Arenas - Haywood expires this year and Butler the year after. This isn't exactly an Iguodala situation where the Wizards are looking to get out of a long contract - neither Haywood nor Butler have a bad contract. We're either going to have to give up our first round pick, or hope to convince New York to give up one of Jordan Hill or Toney Douglas in addition to the Rockets sending a Budinger type talent to Washington. I agree with Bima that I'd rather lose Budinger than our first rounder, but I still don't see Budinger being enough without Hill/Douglas to get Caron/Haywood. Budinger arguably isn't better than either Rudy or Batum, and the Wizards wanted BOTH for Haywood.
Boy that sounds too good to be true. On a side note if Tracy tought the media here was too rough on him, wait until he gets to NY. Dude is gonna need some counseling to get thru the rest of the season.
I usually am very hesitant to latch on to trade rumors, but I like getting Caron & Haywood for essentially very little. I think Caron will make this team more verstaile. Haywood will as well, except I'm not sold on his intensity. He got pretty much stomped by Howard a week or two ago. Lucky for us he will be playing second fiddle to Yao, so for that purpose he is intriguing. Also as previously mentioned the salary lengths are comfortable as well. If Morey can successfully avoid dishing out one of our current top 7-8 guys in this deal, this is an absolute A+. If we end up giving up a rotation guy, it immediately falls to a B/C/D depending on who we gave up.
Let's think this through: What's Chase's upside? He has good height, a pretty pure shot, could be average on defense. The cap on his ceiling is that he's not physical going to the basket. Can he be more than a Kyle Korver? Maybe. Same type of shooter. Korver's a proven dead eye from distance and has a quicker release. Can he be as good as Mike Miller is/was? Miller has better handles but maybe Chase can get there. (Damn, I'm just comparing him to white guys). If forced to choose between holding onto Chase or our first round pick, I'd take the first round pick. I haven't fleshed out my thoughts on this but here goes -- Perhaps Morey swings for the fences more with first round picks, meaning he looks for higher upside players with more physical tools. Not much of a sample size to work with, but Donte Greene was all about tools and upside. With second round picks, Morey seems very adept in identifying players that are likely to develop into rotation players, but who don't have the skill set to be No. 1 or No. 2 options. I'm confident that Morey can keep finding contributors in second round picks, and we have plenty of them. I want him to keep swinging for the fences and hope that he finds the next Amare at the 15th pick or Lattrell Sprewell at 24.
Don't get me wrong. I really like Budinger. He's also better than a "so-so" mid-first rounder in the sense that he is under contract for four seasons, all at below $1M. He's a fantastic bargain, and the Rockets know it. The trouble is . . . so do the Wizards. While I tend to agree with your opinion on Nate's future, none of that really matters. All that matters is what Nate and his agent THINK they could possibly get. It is totally within Nate's control. Reason and logic may have less to do with the decision than you think. Completely agreed on Chase.
Butler is the purest shooter and creator we could afford. The dude shoots over 85% for a CAREER average.
You can't change everybody just by moving them. Kirk Snyder didn't get any saner when he came to our team. Pretty much, if Hayward is a legit nut, it will show and he might be a problem.
With Harrington and Mobley, there is value you are perhaps not seeing. First, they'll hold Harrington's Bird Rights. If they'd do a trade like above, that means they like him. If they like him, his Bird Rights are quite valuable. Second, there's immediate savings from Mobley's contract from insurance, I believe. Third, the Knicks could include a draft pick in 2011 (since Utah has their 2010) or perhaps something else depending on how badly they want McGrady. Alternatively, they could include a young talent from their roster, or we could include a draft pick. The extraneous things can be worked out. Yes, I didn't mention this, but there is flexibility. Fourth, Washington still saves $10M from losing Butler's contract in 2010-2011. There is some incentive. It's not as simple as expiring-for-expiring, especially since Butler's contract doesn't expire.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I have always been a fan of Jamison/Butler so I believe Butler will do nothing but good in Houston. Get it done Morey.
Man I have always wanted Mike MIller.... is there anyway we can get Miller! hes shooting 3pt 50% fg 50% this year
I wouldn't mind having Butler and Haywood on this team.. I just hope it doesn't mean giving up some of our young talent. But if we have to throw in another player... SHANE BATTIER!!
