[Yahoo] Rockets don't want McGrady back, continue to try to trade him

You know, it doesn't really matter to me because like i've said before, shane tracy,and yao should go. If nj cant get the star they're looking for this summer, i would offer yao for lopez and a future pick straight up. I'd rather have lopez,a furture pick, brooks and the gang going forward than yao,tracy,and shane going forward. Thats my opinion and i'm sure the yao and shane lovers will come out and disagree, i'm just saying what most are scared to say.

 

Easy,

It is not just about basketball, it is about locker room, organization, team...tons more than just basketball.

If Tmac is failing, it is his own doing.

I honestly believe it is still repairable, but he needs to step up to reality, deal with his problems and make ammends.

People forgive all the time but the first step is KNOWING it is you that is the problem.

Right now, Tmac blames everyone else (AS HE HAS ALWAYS DONE), when the reality is....it is all on him.

DD

 

They scout and analyze and make their best guess. There's is no way to be sure since even if they play TMac for a few games (which would be of limited utility as a fact-finding tool if it's just "rehab games" in which he's not what he projects to be when "100%"), they will NOT have the opportunity to see the trade target in action with the Rockets. In fact, all trades pretty much suffers from the same infirmity.

 

No, like always you are saying what YOU want to say, and are extrapolating out that a lot of people agree with you, which they do not.

But, hey, you are free to your opinion, we all are.....

As for Tmac...

Gone like a freight train
Gone like yesterday
Gone like a soldier in the civil war
bang bang

He's gone...he's gone......he's GONE !

DD

 

I got it. It's not about basketball. It's about not liking the guy. Why are people still debating whether T-Mac is "ready" to play or whether he can help make this team a contender? Irrelevant.

 

leeb, i still need you to clarify something about your sources. it's not that i don't trust you, but your sources appear to be giving conflicting info.

you said tracy would be ready to go by opening night (the way you posted made it appear he's ready to play pretty well)

then just yesterday, you said your sources claim tracy can't even play 10 minutes.

so what do your sources really say?

 

Because he can't make a difference this year, because he is still injured, because he is an expiring contract, and because he is a douche of a teamate.

DD

 

People are scared to say what i say. I'm not part of the lynch mob, i stand firm and don't care what people think. You yourself will light the bonfire but when it comes to shane or even yao, you p**** foot around. You're more one sided than probably anyone on this board, but i got love for you because i've seen enough of your post over the years.

 

+1.

let's take a look at amare's first few games when he came back from his microfracture surgery. he had 3 games where he had ZERO field goals. however, he PLAYED (albeit 17 minutes a game). by his 7th and 8th game, he found his groove and played better.

i don't care if we wait exactly 1 year before letting tmac play. he's going to struggle in his first few games regardless of how he looks in practice.

this is beyond tracy being ready or not ready to play. this is about a personal conflict b/t tmac and management. tracy started it, and management is going to continue it.

 

Tracy is going to be a salary dump from somebody. It's just a matter of what team offers up the most for a salary dump.

Indy: Dunleavy and Murphy and ...............????
Memphis: Zach Randolph and Jaric and .............?????
Sacramento: Kevin Martin and Nocioni and ............?????
New Orleans: Emeka Okafor and Peja and ..............????
Toronto: Bosh, Evans, Jack, Banks for McGrady, Cook, Landry, Lowry????
Philly: Brand and Dalembert and ............???
Washington: Arenas, Haywood and .........?????
Milwaukee: Redd and ........???????
Charlotte: Chandler and Wallace and .........?????
Knicks: Curry, Mobley, and .......??????
Clippers: BDavis, Kaman, and .....???? or BDavis, Camby, and .....?????
Chicago: Brad Miller, Hinrich, and .....?????
Detroit: RIP, Villanueva, and .....?????


..........so where do you want to start in a salary dump for McGrady????

Would you do any of the above deals for McGrady come playoff time?


(TARGET 1: NEW ORLEANS)
(TARGET 2: TORONTO)

 

T-mac had to be a ball stopper, like you said he's played with one dimensional offensive players, that could only spot-up so he had to create for them his entire career, but your only judging him from last season when he could barely jump.

 

But "liking the guy" is a part of basketball because those guys out there playing are human and human things affect team performance.

Imagine yourself in Adelman's shoes. If you insert McGrady for a couple of "rehab starts" taking away minutes from guys who have been busting their asses for you all year long, and then he doesn't perform because he's still in rehab mode and the team loses, do you want to deal with the fallouts, basketball fallouts, from the players feeling like you gave their minutes to a guy who didn't deserve them and cost the team games either because you are doing a favor to the former superstar who didn't deserve the minutes and didn't have to earn them?

It's a different story if the guy who is getting the minutes is well respected and well liked and the players understand that bringing him along is done for the longer term goal of winning more games.

If I were a coach, I wouldn't want to create a situation in which my players think I am doing anything other than trying to win games.

 

Oh horse hockey, people are not scared, they just don't agree with you.

LOL....I would trade Battier, you know it, but I would only do it if it helped the team.

You are just desperate to get him gone.....I get it, same for me and Tmac.

You just ASSUME that people think like you, and they don't.....because in your mind you have made a black and white decision, and for others it is more of a gray decision.

I don't mind you sticking to your guns....it is what makes you unique...I respect that.....

DD

 

What does his physical handicap have to do with his ability to play off the ball? Even in his "good games," he was playing his usual style. Some guys just don't quite have the game to adapt. McGrady may be one of those.

 

I actually said he would probably miss the first 7 games or so. I just know from guys with microfracture, you're not going to play 30 out the gate and tracy is no different. He couldve been worked in at a building rate, but adelman want him to have more pushoff and power than he has right now. Now i don't check my guy as much because of a new baby, but i can touch the guy if i need to. I just know from the outset when posters was talking chemistry and teamates not liking him weren't accurate from my end. I want name names, but i don't know the guys that don't like him, but maybe they're saying one thing here and another there. Who knows? Thats why i think its going to play itself out like anything else.go ask DD, he has all the answers

 

Because he's a 26 y/o, far cheaper, more productive (23-4-2) SG who is locked up for several years at fair value. McGrady makes this season's Kings team less competitive, and what would they get with their freed up cap space? Would Wade or James even return their calls? Moving Martin would be absolutely insane.

I think this is a awfully skewed take. McGrady declared himself not only healthy but a "vicious" T-Mac that would attack the rim last October. Then he reversed course and shut himself down, taking the decision out of the Rockets' hands when he did so. Then he returned and openly gave poor effort in games, leading to in-team tension and getting confronted by several players, Rick, and Daryl. On his own, McGrady decides to skip back-to-backs, driving the team nuts. McGrady decides to hold a first-ever midseason training camp for himself. McGrady declares himself 100% AGAIN, dictating his own return to the starting lineup. McGrady emphatically states that his knee is fine and his issues are mental. McGrady plays poorly, and yanks himself after the notorious MIL dunk game. McGrady reverses course and claims he's as disabled as a quadriplegic. McGrady goes on a personal national tour of physicians until he finds one that affirms that the nightmare season isn't his fault. McGrady leaves the team fully in the dark until he goes to the media to announce his season is over and will have surgery.

Fast forward to this year. McGrady announces to the media that he will return Nov 18th, a notion clearly not shared by the team. McGrady gets into it with Adelman and Morey when they decline to activate him following his Nov 23rd MRI. Feigen reports that McGrady wants to finish his rehab on the court, Morey and Adelman don't want a repeat of last year. McGrady dresses anyway for shootaround to draw attention to his situation. Now here he is, once again going public to try and get his way rather than working within the confines of the team.

Last year, McGrady dictated every move. He's clearly not able to properly gauge his readiness to play, at least not as a primary option, and was unwilling to take a back seat in terms of his role. The team allowed him to foul up over half the season.

This year, McGrady's doing the exact same thing, but the Rockets are done catering to his whims. The second he comes back, the insurance is gone. They literally can't afford to blow a few million by trusting McGrady's obviously untrustworthy word regarding his status.

The team is doing well, and Adelman's already seen the havoc reeked on a team when an injured star returns too soon (last year and Webber's microfracture).

Is McGrady honestly open to dialing back his touches and blend with the team when he wasn't last year and is in a contract year? Is he dedicated to running fast breaks when he hasn't done since landing in Houston? Is he willing to play defense when he has coasted on that end increasingly since JVG and his whip left town?

Why in the world would the team take on all these serious risks, financially and competitively, when McGrady is giving them no reason to do so? When he isn't proving it in practice? When he still goes outside the team to put his wants above the team's stated decisions?

You're leaving out his actual return. He came back in March the season before that (first game: declared "Amare Stoudemire's back" after scoring 20 and 9), played two and a half games, and realized he wasn't anywhere near as ready as he thought he was. Shut down until Nov.

Amare is the perfect example. Of the scenario the Rockets don't want to see with McGrady declaring himself back and calling his own shots regarding his return.

 

Yes I do, The DDoctor is in, how can I help you my son?



DD

 

His physical handicap, I think would have a lot to do with playing basketball in the NBA, but now if he's really healthy Adelman could implement him in the offense with his ball-handling, his ability to shoot off screens, ability to attack the basket, or even his ability to finish at the rim by using him off of back cuts, so I think he can adapt this system, but he's never been in this system healthy since we were on the streak.

 

If you're worried about how the players will adjust I think you're overreacting. After all, Tracy's resume kind of speaks for itself as far as that goes. Yeah, he's definitely not without his flaws but I highly doubt there's a player in our locker room that doesn't respect the hell out of him. I definitely get the vibe that everybody besides the players is fed up with him -- not the players themselves.

So if you're asking do I think a rookie in Budinger, a veteran that just happens to be one of the most intelligent players in the league in Battier and a player in over his head in terms of how he's trying to play in Ariza -- if you're asking do I think they would understand if a player like Tracy was integrated back into the rotation then my answer is 100% "yes". You're smart enough to know that's not the core issue here though. The core issue is risk vs. reward in regards to the whole insurance issue.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to emjohn again.

DD