[Yahoo] Rockets don't want McGrady back, continue to try to trade him

and why would we want Ramon Sessions? He's not a legit two. He's overpaid. And doesn't represent and upgrade over our current point tandem.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that we end up letting tmac walk.

 

If you get Sessions it would have to be part of a Rubio deal...where they get Sessions, Rubio and junk for Tmac.

DD

 

Just a question in case anybody knows...let's say the Rockets org. is just not playing T-Mac to collect some insurance money...how long are they able to say he's not fit to play before insurance objects? Or can they...? Anybody know that?

 

Until his knee is 100% recovered, but it depends on the language in the contract, if it is games inactive, or missed, it can be indefinite, if it is based upon injury status, then it is down to medical opinion.

And the Rocket doctors can say he is not ready forever.....if they like.

DD

 

I'm totally speculating, but it seems to me that the normal recovery time for microfracture surgery is a year. It's only been about 9 months, right? By that logic, I'd say the Rockets can postpone playing him for about 3 more months and the insurance wouldn't have any grounds to object.

 

Well, after a couple answers, I'm still not sure...I know what you're saying, DD, that if it's up to doc opinions they can do it forever, but it's not like insurance companies to get screwed...usually they're the ones that do the screwing. I'm just surprised that there wouldn't be an objection on their part if a player says he's ready to play and the team says he isn't...

 

I think they may get involved at some point, but that is months away.

DD

 

ok i see. you want to field a team consisting entirely of point guards....

 

a big difference is that yao never said (and i believe he never will) and thought (and i believe he never will) "it's all on me". but yes, since he's the best and highest paid player (sans mcgrady), he'd usually get the most credit or criticism depending the results. (strangely, yao on this board has been given less credit when the team was victorious and more criticism than he deserved when we lost.)

and when we play the better teams, we actually are more in need of a good post player like yao. to the current team, our biggest need is not on the wings.

but since you're a longhorn (i am assuming), i am gonna go easy on you. :grin:

 

No, NObody knows. Bank on that!

 

Sure. with Blount and Cardinal and some kid who won't be over for two years. Minny gets the 'star' to become relevant. They get first shot at retaining him. Even with all their cap room they are not in play for the studley guys, just the pay me ones. (If this deal actually happened then one of three: Blount/Cardinal/Cook gets bought out. waa - waa.)

 

The point of any season is to win THAT season...To constantly harbor on building chemistry and developing young guys is letting down your fan base. Fans buy tickets and tune in to see a winner not a team that competes hard but loses. Not that I am fan of their organization either, but the Texans PLAY HARD. But the Texans also LOSE more games than they WIN...What is best for ANY ORGANIZATION in ANY SPORT is to put the very best team on the playing field all the time in order to WIN, not COMPETE HARD...

Only Tracy really knows his body. It is probably easy for him to say that he is ready because his body FEELS better than it did last year. One thing I do know about knees, since both of mine have been surgically repaired, is that there will be days when you are totally pain free and feel that you can go out and be your old self again but then after you get out there, the pain and swelling come back and make it difficult for you to get back out there. Watching T-Mac shuffle in and out of the lineup and declare himself ready and then able to play, I believe that is what happened. Now for sure, he should have advised the Rockets of the surgery decision in a much different way and he should have been held accountable for that by the Rockets organization. But the Rockets were also CLEARLY wrong on their INSISTENCE that he continue to play because that was going to be the only way to strengthen the knee. OBVIOUSLY, the organization was wrong and they should have been held accountable for that. But the TIME OFR ACCOUNTABILITY was during LAST SEASON and THIS PAST OFFSEASON. Any carryover by either party to this season, is completely wrong and will only serve to divide goodwill within the organization, in the locker room, and amongst the fans (as evidenced by this forum).

There needs to be a resolution to this saga and we are clearly divided on what that resolution is. Personally, I think that Tracy should be allowed to play in a reserve role if he is healthy and be given the oppotunity to earn a starting spot based on his play after 15-20 games. He should be promised nothing, but he should be given a chance. But if he is not going to be given that chance, the Rockets ORGANIZATION should be open and transparent about their intentions for T-Mac so that everyone (players, fans, & T-Mac himself) can know what the end is going to be, whether it happens today, tomorrow, or next week. Just my $.02....

 

Teams that have absolutely no interest in McGrady (set at swingman or otherwise):
LAL, BOS, ORL, MEM, Utah

We aren't going to send him to:
SAS, DAL

Would have to send too many rotation players to match salaries for it to work midseason:
WAS (Butler isn't getting moved for McGrady, no way, no how)
SAC (ditto for Martin)
IND, ATL, POR, OKC

Otherwise very unlikely:
Cavs - would have to be dumping Shaq
Nugs - probably aren't that desperate to lose KMart + JR Smith
Suns - Amare + Barbosa? Starver needs to get desperate financially.
Raps - why move Bosh just to get a lesser player that's also out the door in July?
Bucks - ditto for Redd
Warriors - Ellis' deal would make Morey implode
Bobcats - I don't see them sending 2 of their top 3 guys for McGrady.
Sixers - Iguodala isn't coming, Brand's not worth it
Pistons - Rip and Prince for Tracy makes very little sense for Dumars. Or us.

Leaves:
Knicks: Hughes + Curry or Harrington
Heat: Jermaine O'Neal (and draft sweetners)
Hornets: Not Paul. Peja + West will be the best offer.
Bulls: Hinrich and Brad Miller. Not Deng.
Wolves - Jefferson's not getting moved. Cardinal, Blount, and Daniels is their offer. Sessions *might* get worked in.
Clips - Camby + Davis
Nets - Simmons, Battie, Williams, and Najera, anyone?

Given that McGrady might torpedo a trade to an undesirable market, I'd say that knocks out MIN. The LAC, NYK, and NOH moves don't mesh well with Morey moneyball.
My preferences? In order:
CHI, MIA, NJN

They aren't much to dance about.

 

Sometimes, the longterm is more important.

 

That is one of the best breakdowns I have seen for possible trade partners.
I like the idea of Chi. If JO was still able to run the floor I would be down with MIA

 

Tracy per his own Skillzlab website:

"Tell me if you gonna play me. I'm still a Rocket player. If you not gonna play me then tell me that. You know I'll respect that but I don't respect just having me wonder what's going on. Nobody is really communicating with me. I wanna get out there with my guys..great group of guys.. great teammates.. i just wanna help them compete every night."

 

Agreed about the breakdown...but do not agree that McGrady would poo poo any deal.

He desperatly needs to show what he can do on an NBA floor to get that new contract, and if it is Minny for a couple of months, so be it.

DD

 

How about:

HOU trades McGrady+Dorsey
NJN trades Simmons+Najera+Battie

The Rockets save about 3 million this year, which might be enough to get them under the LT (not sure). Najera would be on the books for 2 more years, 3-million per, but he's a nice energy player that would fit the Rockets style. Battie gives them another option at C. Simmons is a pretty good offensive player who can play SG/SF.

Its not a very exciting trade, but I don't think the Rockets can hope to get much more in a trade.

 

WHOA! like clutch's source says, IT'S NOT GOING TO END WELL.

 

This is what I've been thinking. The revisionists would not acknowledge the fact that TMac has shown that he could play with the flow during the 22-game streak. So the argument of messing up the chemistry makes no sense. You bring in a rotation player from a trade, you'll run the risk of messing up the chemistry too, unless you don't want to get a quality player back from trading TMac, which is stupid.

The only acceptable basketball reason why he is not playing would be that he is still not 100% in game shape. I have no problem with that. And it has been the official public stance from Adelman and Morey. (As smart as Adelman and Morey, I am sure they also know that this is the ONLY valid basketball reason.) But it looks more and more likely that it is not really about basketball.