[Yahoo] Nets in three-way talks with Dallas and Portland

Dallas would be scary with Mr Triple double......
Portland's Point guard situation is horrile(Jarret Jack is trash, Channing Frye is trash, I like Travis, but Devin Harris would go nice with Roy, Lamarcus and Oden. Point Guard is the most important position in the NBA.
New Jersey gets to rebuild,

It sounds legit to me.......

 

Depends how you look at it. Harris would be an upgrade over either Jarrett Jack or Steve Blake. It would give the Blazers another slasher and maybe take some burden off of Brandon Roy.

Like many have said, giving up Outlaw, Jack and Frye just for Harris is dumb for them in terms of total talent. But they do have some tough decisions to make for next year with Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez both joining the rotation. They have to get rid of some of their talent before next season. Why wait until the summer if the right deal comes along (though this deal isn't a good deal as currently proposed here).

 

It upgrades Dallas' playmaking ability, but to begin with, Dallas doesn't exactly need help on offense. Their offensive system works very well and is the second most efficient in the league. Losing Harris hurts them on defense IMO, and also causes them to lose a lot of perimeter speed which has worked to their advantage. They also lose Harris' ability to spread the floor (his outside jumper has been much improved this season, and Kidd isn't exactly known for being a great shooter). Kidd thrives in a fast-paced, fast breaking type of offense, and that is not Dallas -- Dallas is much more of a methodical, switch-and-iso, slow paced type of team. Plus, they lose Stackhouse who has been their perennial rock off the bench with his mismatch ability at the 2-guard position.

Frankly, it does not make sense for Dallas to get Kidd. And like durvasa said, I kinda hope they get him -- they'll only get worse.

 

devin harris was available?..i'll be dam...that guy plays smart..he might not be jason kidd YET...but he will....like I said he plays smart...at the end of the game when the game is on the line...he drives in and try to create fouls not take jump shots or make stupid boneheaded move...and NO i am NOT reffering to TMAC..i am talking about Rafer...and Luther

 

That's more than a premium for an above average PG at best. A very serviceable big man in Frye, a decent PG in Jack AND a budding star in Travis Outlaw? Not to mention those 3 guys are all 24 and under. There's no way Portland does that deal.

A combo of Jack, Frye and Outlaw should get you no less than a player of Jason Terry, Mike Bibby, or Andre Miller's caliber. But freakin Devin Harris? Please.

 

There's this demonic little voice in my head that keeps repeating:

tmac and rafer for kidd, boki and an unprotected first rounder or two.

 

Simple fact: Kidd wants out; he is old; he can't shoot

My conclusion: his value is very limited

If I were Dallas or Portland, I won't jump in. Wait with patience, there is a good chance you can get the discount of 75% rather than 25%.

 

But which is greater? Kidd & Terry or Harris, Terry & Stackhouse?

I'd take the latter.

 

I think this move does not work to Mavs benefit, they only get Kidd for 2 years and he's 35 with no outside shot. Devin Harris has yet to reach his potential, and is quality to player that was good piece for the Mavs. And they are also losing Stackhouse who has proven to be still all-star worthy player, even coming off the bench....the Mavs will not make this move.

 

Yes,he can immediately after he is cut.I'm certain that is part of the deal.
So Dallas can end up with Kidd,Magloire,and Stackhouse. They only lose Harris.
I don't like that at all.

 

I think the NBA changed the rules after the last CBA so now players a required to wait a certain amount of time before resigning with the club that traded them. The Gary Payton Rule.

 

IIRC, Stacey Augmon was one of the players we got from Portland when we traded Quitten and we immediately released him. About a week later, he was signed by the Blazers.

 

I haven't looked at salaries yet, but these young guys are going to want to get paid soon and Portland simply won't have money because Roy, Oden, Aldridge will get extensions in a couple years. This is a good job of the Portland management thinking ahead while they can get something good back for these young guys. Also, someone in the current rotation will get bumped once Oden comes back next year.

 

I think the Blazers would be getting Nachbar or Wright.

 

Yes, I remember that.That is the exact reason why it came to my mind that Stackhouse can go back to Dallas immediately.

 

I am telling you guys the NBA changed that rule the same year they allowed the "Allan Houston Rule". Stackhouse would have to wait a specified amount of time before returning to Dallas. Possibly next year. Payton got traded for Walker then resigned with the Celtics, the NBA said enough was enough.

 

this can be a total coup for dallas if they just re-sign stackhouse after he gets bought out that basically makes it

harris and george for kidd which is a no brainer deal.

I can see why portland would want harris playing Roy at point all the time isnt a good thing in the long run. They also have some bigs still developing (McRoberts and dont forget about Oden being there next year) so losing frye would not be a big loss in the long run either...Outlaw has been playing well for them lately not sure what they plan to do with Darius Miles (remember him?) if he can come back next season after his surgeries Outlaw maybe expendable as well. and dont forget they have rudy fernandez overseas too

So this trade can actually help portland...maybe not this year but next season once they get their major pieces in place.

Harris
Roy
Webster
Aldridge
Oden

that is a scary starting 5