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[yahoo] McGrady and Adelman in heated argument

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by keez857, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. The_Yoyo

    The_Yoyo Contributing Member

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    quoted for some actual logic

    then i would say considering where the team is on the schedule (on the road then a set of back to backs road/home) i think the coaching staff want to have at least one FULL practice to have Tmac run through and adjust the lineups accordingly. trying to do that on the fly is not going to help the team.

    morey/rick probably realized this from the get go that if the team was playing well at the time..hold strong to the nov 23rd date if the team wasnt then may as well insert him in.

    tmac probably felt that he was told to sit the first 11 games (making it 41 straight) and then they'll get whatever insurance policies. he probably needed the first few games to still fully get into the shape he wanted but after that he probably was ready to go.

    give the guy at least a little credit this year he has been working out pretty hard before games and has been with the team. had he been a serious cancer he probably would have been asked to stay at home and not be with the team
     
  2. Angkor Wat

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    Umm he does create shots for his teammates. Even last year whenever he could play. You don't have to attack the rim to create shots. He is one of the best pick and roll players in the NBA. As of right now, I will say he has the best vision and passing skill out of all our current players. Probably better ball control too. He didn't shoot well during the 22 game winning streak season but he still impacted games by getting others easy buckets.
     
  3. Texxx

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    Tmac was a loser in Orlando before we ever got him and their GM told us that when we brought him here. He warned us that he was a quitter and had no heart. Houston fans were just so stoked that we got a superstar talent, that we didn't want to listen despite the fact that Tmac could never even get in the 2nd round in the East even with a 3-1 lead over the Bucks.

    I'll grant him the fact that he's been good in the regular seasons, but when it came down to close games in the playoffs in the 4th quarters he was a choke artist in Houston. He had two home court advantages with Utah and couldn't lead the team. Tmac never did anymore than what Francis was able to do when you look at the bigger picture. ONly Francis has a much worse team to play with, but they Tmac never went any further, but just had more playoff appearances.

    The guy has been a great stats guy his whole career but that's where it stops. He's not a great leader and never has been. Fans on this site need to let it go and move on. Stop rooting for the player and start rooting for the team! We did fine without him and we're playing good ball right now for what we have. We don't need this guy anymore.
     
  4. Dave_78

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    What are you arguing. The guy has a time table for his MRI. It's on the 23rd. If that works out then he gets a chance to EARN playing time by PRACTICING (full practices) back-to-back and proving he is good enough to land in the rotation.

    What's with all of you now claiming because a doctor cleared his knee he should be playing. How many doctors cleared his knee a year ago yet he couldn't play? All I heard then was how wrong the doctors were. Funny how you changed your tunes.

    Let's be real. The guy is 30, coming of multiple surgeries including a major one, he has a history of being injury prone, unable to heal from minor surgeries and of being a liar about his health. HE DOESN'T GET A SAY IN THIS. He lost that right and now he think he deserves to have things his way?
     
  5. macalu

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  6. tmacfor35

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    I live in San Antonio and have missed maybe a few games the last three years. Pick and roll with Mcgrady was a bread and butter play for Houston and still can be with his passing skills. They are highly overlooked. Mcgrady's never been quick off the dribble, hes long and good with the basketball in his hands. He can be a much needed piece for this Rockets team.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Well, I am not sure T-mac wanting to play and being frustrated is really all that bad. He's b****ing and all, but good, at least he does want to play. At least he cares. Give the man a bit of respect for wanting to play and not taking it sitting down.

    There can be conflict between players and coaches. It's not always bad. And so far, no one has really been hard on the other in public or the media - or even privately said anything negative.

    That's a really good sign.
     
  8. EssTooKayTD

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    Come on dude, look at it.

    No one can do it alone. Kobe finally had success post-Shaq. He "only" has Pau, Bynum, Odom and company to help him out.

    Who did Tracy have? ( Forgive my memory...I'm trying to remember how these series went. )

    vs. Mavs...team was actually decent, although they were a lot of players on their way out of the NBA. I think we can all agree, the refs assed Houston out on that one.

    vs. Jazz #1
    A recently returning-from-injury Yao. Who else outside of that?

    vs. Jazz #2
    No Yao

    I don't need to mention our role players b/c they just don't match up to rosters of championship teams. Some of them even missed games due to injuries or didn't show up to play. Others that are now playing much higher levels of basketball were in their first year or two.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    How did you feel about Von?

    Hopefully consistent....to this message.

    ;)

    DD
     
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    I am sure they did not mention anything about it but I am pretty sure T-mac and his agent knew about this since T-mac thought he was ready to play and the team choosing a scheduled MRI after the 41 days have passed. I am sure if the Rockets were sucking and were having trouble with ticket sales then the Rockets would be playing him very soon. I don't know much about the Rockets this year since I do not get there games here. But based on what Morey said in his 610 interview yesterday ticket sales were still good. I am just worried this will become a huge distraction the longer this drags on. As a Rocket fan I feel I have mixed emotions I think adding a player like Tmac can not hurt the team, if he sucks keep him on the bench if he does well than that is just more money in their pockets.

    It will be an interesting to see, what I expect to happen after the 23rd is what has been going on since training camp. The team will say, "The MRI revealed no damage it is just that we think Tmac is not in great conditional shape." Whether that be true or not, but in the meantime the Rockets collect insurance money on a 23 million dollar player and still keep winning. If they start to lose, I can see the Rockets saying, "We feel like Tmac has shown great strides in practice and will be ready to play."
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Kind of how I see it too.

    DD
     
  12. Texxx

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    These are nothing but excuses. It's a reason why the Rockets had home court advantage over the Jazz and had a better record. What's the excuse for the Jazz then since we had a better over all record? Oh, that's right we did! So in essence there is no excuse for us to have not won either one of those series when we had the home court advantage over the Jazz those two seasons. And again Dallas we were up 2-0 to start the series and then fell apart. That is 3 freaking post season collapses behind that guy as the superstar and then you go back to his collapse in Orlando, it's no coincidence. The excuses made for this man by you fan boys are ridiculous at this point. Then he shut it down last season and released his news to the media so we couldn't trade his ass and we got stuck with the highest salary in the NBA. Oh, and remember that year he quit playing for a like a week because he was supposedly "depressed?" The guy is one of the most soft players in the league.

    It will be a wonderful day when he is traded. Good riddance Mcgrady and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
     
  13. EssTooKayTD

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    Reasons man, not excuses.

    Mavs series, like I said, it was taken from Houston by just not one or two calls, but by a lot of calls. Heck wasn't the ref who was busted for gambling on games one of the refs in that series? Of all the years McGrady was here, that was the best by far. We can disagree all day, I can't blame that one on him.

    Jazz: Again, correct me if my recollection is off, but didn't we get home court barely that year? As in it came down to the last few games or so to decide who had it? Either way, home court or not...what about the players on the floor. I think they have a little to do with the game. Do tell me of the awesome play of our players not named Tracy or Yao.

    I bet Yao is glad he doesn't get as much hate as McGrady since he's in the same boat. Only difference is his demeanor and his paycheck. I mean since it seems most people only care about the end result, which is fair enough. You don't win, you don't get the love.
     
  14. ibm

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    the difference is yao doesn't whine or quit, or point fingers at others. yao didn't say "had i had kobe but not mcgrady..."

    win or lose, the process matters. and demeanor matters, too.
     
  15. t_mac1

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    from who? the chron?

    i don't even care for the argument. that's not what surprised me from that article. what surprised me was the doctor who performed surgery cleared him for full-contact play v. real NBA players and the team wouldn't even let him do anything to start training camp. that's the thing that surprises me.

    i just think both sides are really looking out for themselves, and there has been some miscommunication.

    and look, we're not talking about the team that is 7-5, we're talking about tmac's timetable and when he's going to return.
     
  16. t_mac1

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    that was tmac talking. you don't trust tmac ALONE.

    in that article, it explicitly stated the doctor (one of the most reputable surgeons) who performed surgery cleared him. he's the one who has been talking with mcgrady the most. i'm assuming that doctor should have SOME IDEA of how tmac is progressing. if he clears mcgrady, tmac should be ready to AT LEAST practice to start training camp.

    what perplexes me AGAIN is that the team did NOT let him practice. IT'S PRACTICE.
     
  17. TranMcGrady

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    Who took us to the playoffs that year?

    Tracy McGrady
     
  18. EssTooKayTD

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    I think it only matters when you don't win, and only to some people. To me, I do enjoy when they do play. I appreciate the effort on the court. I, probably, too often give passes to behavior that people love to harp on around here.

    To me, if you win, people don't care. I am just as disappointed in Yao as I am in Tracy. The end result is the same. So...until either of them win, years from now, I'll just remember the injury-filled seasons of the Yao and Tracy era.

    I mean with Dream, speaking ill of him is like blasphemy around here. Wasn't he being accused of faking injuries and trade talks were in the works before the champion year? All is forgiven if you win.

    Kobe, was on camera talking about trades. He got more help, they won, and no one really talks about him chewing out teammates, quitting ON THE COURT in the playoffs, allegedly raping a woman. You win, you are the man.
     
  19. amaggie05

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    if TMAC is really fit, then he's not gonna suck, it's just that we are gonna play a whole different type of game with him on the floor, and I'm not sure if coach RA or Morey wants that. The team is winning anyway.

    Also some of the players may not be happy with that either considering what he has done to the team chemistry. In the club's perspective, I think they just want to keep up the current chemistry and give the young players plenty of minutes so that they can grow for the future.
     
  20. EssTooKayTD

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    I just think it quite silly that people will say it was the ABSENCE of McGrady that allowed the team to get out of the first round. That's like throwing the entire team under the bus isn't it? Like they had nothing to do with it.
     

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