[Yahoo!] Carmelo privately expressing more enthusiasm to join Rockets than Knicks

if youre right, we're not getting melo then. b/c denver wont want brooks (and if we do trade brooks, yao will get suffocated w/ the lack of 3pt shooters).

martin has to go if we want melo. has to.

 

No he doesn't they could take back Jeffries, Battier, Hill, CBud and a couple of picks......

Martin and Brooks don't have to be involved......

So many folks on here would give up too much......Morey has proven that he is very prudent on his deals, why would this one be any different.

If they decide to go after Melo, and I am unconvinced they will, then I trust Morey to make the right choices and not give up too much.

DD

 

if denver keeps billups, they can still be a playoff contender. im sure they will want martin AND picks. they want at least someone to replace his scoring. melos value is a superstar value in todays market.

im not trying to give up too much. im thinking from DENVER'S point of view and what they want.

and your proposed trade is terrible by the way. giving up cbud AND battier? you lose defend and the jumpstart off the bench.

and in your starting lineup, you have no perimeter defense and all of them look to score and can't pass. yao will get less shots than ever.

giving up martin is not that bad if you gain melo. you still have cbud for the outside 3pt shooting and battier for defense v. top scoring perimeter players.

i'll trust morey to do the right thing. and i think he'll willingly give up martin (and will want to keep cbud and battier) with hill/patterson plus picks. i think that is the best trade while keeping the balance on the team (shooting, defense, offense) as we incorporate yao again.

 

I think if we get melo, i think the starting point guard should be lowry. Even if we keep aaron brooks (sorry DD). But the reason that i say this is that if we have melo and yao on the court we are going to need a point guard who can distribute the ball, and who thinks pass first rather then shoot first.

 

I agreed LEE/Melo is better than Martin/Battier and LEE/Melo is close to Martin/Melo. I think if the trade do go down....it has to be Martin with his big contract. And I will ONLY give up Martin and unimportant pieces....if they want someone like Battier added...then forget it.

 

Would Morey be considered a genius if he trades Kevin Martin, the trade exception, Jeffries and the Knicks picks for Carmelo Anthony?

This is what we got for Tracy McGrady, much of it in a Knick attempt to dump salary to get Carmelo.

Hahaha that would be hilarious if we took the assets from the Knicks and turned it into the player they really wanted. What a bunch of short-term thinking losers.

I don't think Morey would give up Martin AND Brooks. With Billups and their new Rookie, I think they would want Martin more.

Unless of course they want to throw in Billups.


Billups/Anthony for Martin/Brooks/Jeffries/Hill/Trade Exeption/Knicks Picks


Wow.

Billups Lowry
Taylor Battier
Anthony Budinger Battier
Scola Hayes
Yao BMiller Patterson

That is championship calliber.

Though there may be some strain in the Billups/Anthony relationship.

 

We gave up Carl Landry too.

 

You can not package the Trade Exception in a trade.

 

Thing is, Knicks were in full tilt mode and trying to shed salaries left and right. They were desperate for that juicy $23 million contract. Denver does not appear to be trying to shed salary, nor are they actively shopping Melo either. They would prefer for Melo to sign his max extension and stay. The problem is that Melo himself no longer appears to want to stay, since it does not appear that the FO has any resemblance of a plan for success. Once Melo makes it clear he wants out, then the FO can start looking for the best deal by one of the teams Melo wants to join.

 

If Sina is to be believed, Landry wants to come back to the Rockets. We can use the TE for him!

 

Don't know if its been mentioned or not, but...

http://dimemag.com/2010/08/nba-trade-pitch-carmelo-anthony-to-houston-for-kevin-martin/

 

By no means am I comparing Ariza to Martin or Ariza to Melo or anything like that(not the case and don't think it's even debatable) BUT I thought we said the same about Ariza? "They can't/won't trade him! He hasn't played with Yao yet!"

 

"Scola isn’t that far behind Pau Gasol at power forward" (in the dimemag link)

That just made my day. Finally someone hops off Pau Gasol's disgusting euro-D. During the finals all the commentators talked about was how Kobe was the best in the world, and playing with Pau, the best center in the league. It made me want to vomit. Im glad some people still have some sense.

 

I still think the odds are that Denver isn't going to be too keen on taking on Martin's salary, but would rather take in younger, cheaper pieces and draft picks along with expiring contracts. I think if it goes down, Brooks will be dealt as part of a three way to net the Nuggets another cheap talent or two and/or another pick.

Something like Hill, Jeffries, Battier, picks + (whatever Brooks can fetch them) and maybe Budinger if we really have to blow them away.

By trading Melo, they essentially go into rebuilding mode (unless NJ offers two of Harris, Favors, and Lopez), and Kevin Martin isn't exactly a guy that you rebuild your team around. he's a superb complementary player, but that's it. I think cap flexibility would be more appealing to them.

 

Martin for Birdman and JR Smith.

We will save money and Denver will be a contender that Melo will not leave to NY.

 

wtf

just stop posting, dude

 

Who the hell repped this dude?

 

hope you stay a rookie forever your post are just straight stupid

 

Well, he DID play a full season for the Rockets, no? Morey probably saw that, even without Yao and even putting him as the 2nd option on most nights, Trevor wasn't really going to be the player Morey thought he would be. In other words, when Morey said that he was getting a bargain for Ariza because his defense was that great, I don't doubt that's how Morey really felt. But, ultimately IMO, Morey was banking on Ariza turning the corner and actually improved his overall offensive game. Unfortunately for Morey, Trevor handled the rock as well as a night of drinking for me on 6th street.

The difference between Martin and Ariza (aside from the obvious) is that a player like Martin can benefit alongside Yao and vice versa. Could Trevor have been a "better player" with Yao next season? Maybe but last season was pretty much Trevor's opportunity to take his game to the "next level". I wasn't expecting a 20 ppg scorer by any means but just a player whose game could have been more well-rounded since he pretty much had the green light to do whatever he wanted the first couple of months in the season.

As for getting Melo, I understand that in a realistic scenario, Morey would have to give up Brooks or Martin. But, like many had pointed out to me before the offseason started and how it actually played out, the team who has a star player leaving don't always get all they want (i.e. value = value). I really don't think Morey is going to give up on and trade Martin for Melo because, at the end of the day, you'd just be trading a scorer/defensive liability for a slightly better scorer/defensive liability.

"But if we trade away Brooks, wouldn't it be the same thing?"

Well, not if you look at Brooks' trade value. He's a scorer, he's young, and he's still on a very cheap contract. Lets say the Nuggets said, "Ok give us Brooks, the Knicks' picks, Jeffries, Battier, Hill". Would that be outlandish? I don't think so. Sure Brooks wouldn't be the Nuggets' starting point guard but he can still be a scorer in terms of a Ben Gordon (i.e. ultimate 6th man / spark plug). When comparing Brooks, his age, and contract versus Martin, his age, and contract, I think the Nuggets would rather take Brooks. Kevin Martin's a good player but he's not going to "outsell" Brooks in terms of marketability so why take on Martin's contract when you can get Brooks for cheap?

 

I just want to point out to everyone that Brooks is expiring too......

They could make him a restricted Free Agent...but there is no guarantee that he stays if he is traded.

DD