[Yahoo!] Carmelo privately expressing more enthusiasm to join Rockets than Knicks

If the Nuggets want to unload Nene, I think our package is better than the Nets.

Just like Worzel Gummidge posted in the trade idea thread

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5536519&postcount=705
If Nuggets want to dump Nene in a Melo trade...

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Ah, I missed it. I should be in bed.

 

From Anthony's point of view, going to the Nets makes less sense than even the Knicks. Without Favors and Murphy, would the Nets even make the playoffs in the East even with Anthony and Nene? Three years out from playing in Brooklyn means that his prime years would be spent on a team in Newark that has no realistic chance to win a championship, or make the finals playing in the same conference as Orlando, Chicago and Miami. Also, Billy King is their GM. Good luck with that.

 

Favors is a franchise changer. None of the Rockets's assets are. I think for the Rockets to get in, it'll largely depend on Melo, saying the Nets aren't a team he'll sign an extension with.

 

I am pretty sure the Rockets can help them knock off a similar amount in a Nene trade as they would get out of the Nene part of a package deal with Denver. Especially since Houston has the TPE to absorb salary. Knocking off 7 mil is not all that difficult. Morey did it this summer and it cost $1 mil cash (for. Andersen) and netted us C Lee in the process of dumping $8.8 mil this year (and more in later years).

 

If we have to give up 2 first round picks(probably at least one of them being lottery) C-bud, Hill, Jeffries, and Battier. No deal.
First off the Nuggets are not in a strong position. Secondly Is Carmelo really the one. I feel he has a much a chance of carrying this team as Tracy. And he's a newlywed who is already concerning himself with stuff outside of basketball. I just don,t know if his head is all there right now.
Yes i would Like Carmelo, but at the right price.
What most people on this this board are just ready to give away is kinda stupid to me. And I have a very good feeling Morey sees it the same. If we do land Melo I think it will be for a lot less than what people on this board are suggesting and C-Bud will not be a part of the deal.

 

Harris
Morrow
Melo
Nene
Lopez

Is a pretty good team to roll with. Avery as a coach is an upgrade from Frank. I'm not saying its ideal or anything, I'm just saying Lopez as a big on the come up is pretty good. Nene as a versitile big is also a bonus. Harris has to stay healthy and morrow is one of the best shooters in the league. The owner is like a russian jerry buss who is williang to spend alot of money to be relevant.

 

Come on Lee, that team is not better than the Milwaukee Bucks. How are they going to beat the Heat, Magic, or Bulls? To get Anthony they will have to lose assets and give up a huge chunk of cap flexibility with Billy King calling the shots. If you are Anthony going to Newark for three years in the prime of your career is a lateral move at best.

 

I'm not debating you, but a east coast kid, with a wife from ny,and a coach that had playoff success playing in jersey isnt a bad thing. If the get nene with anthony, that is a pretty good team. Are they as good as the heat,celtics, or orlando? No, but those are 3 of the 4 best teams in the entire nba. The celts have 1 more year of being serious. Look at the age of lopez and anthony and they can be good for awhile. When kidd was there, they played alot of games on tv after they went to the finals. To me, they are as good as the bulls and bucks and not to far behind orlando.

 

If Melo wants in/near NY, good for him. But team-wise, that hypothetical NJ team is no better than the current Nuggs. And the owner, no matter how rich, must operate under a CBA. And the Nuggs spent plenty, too. Also, not sure if he isn't the Russian Jim Dolan or even the Russian Kroenke more than the Russian Buss. His first moves have been to splurge on Outlaw and hire Billy King. Not a great start.

As for Nene, the Rockets can offer NyK picks + Johnson+I Simth + Harris + JJ for him. Den can waive the non guaranteeds and save about 4 mil this year. Can also eat Birdman with TPE to save Nuggs another 4.5 mil. Hell, another team with cap room or a large TPE can eat Nene's contract with no salary returning. Don't see why DEN would have to give him to NJ to save money when they can extract most of NJ's assets with Melo alone.

 

Lee, just to make my opinion clear, I agree with you. The chance of getting Favors would make the Nets the most attractive trading parter if I were running the Nuggets. It's easier to sell his upside as this year's #2 pick to the fanbase than the package the Rockets can offer.

It ultimately depends on what Anthony is looking for. I have read that he worries that the Nuggets do not have a stable front office and are in a competitive cul-de-sac in the West. In order to get Anthony and Nene, the Nets would have to give up some big pieces on a team without much ammo. Lopez and Harris are nice players, but how good are they if they were healthy and their team only won 12 games? Looking at the organisation they have there, how much confidence would you have in Billy King running the show without much capspace, or tradeable assets? How good is Avery Johnson compared to George Karl (or Adelman, for that matter)? I just think that going to the Nets is a lateral move, especially compared to the young talent stacking up in the East. Is Newark, NJ for three years worth that?

The West is really more open right now. The elite teams in the West are aging (Spurs, Mavs, Lakers) or flawed (the Thunder have no post game, the Jazz have no post defense and the Trailblazers are have health issues and no post players). It's harder to pick holes in the teams at the top of the East. If winning and getting PAID (before the new CBA takes $20 million a year contracts away for good) are important to Anthony, I think the Rockets are as good landing spot as any. I don't think the reported interest is a mere smokescreen.

 

To be fair, avery has more recent success than both karl and adelman. Thats not to say he is a better coach, i'm just saying. In regards to the 12 win nets team, they should have won about 30 games. I've never been a fan of frank and last year made it worse. Even with kidd,carter,and jefferson, they were one of the worse teams in games decided by 3 pts or less. When you have vets like that, you shouldnt have thats stigma. I watched them play my standard 20+ games and they were better than the record. I think once it started spiraling, it just kept going, but they played hard. Lopez played very,very well which is a good sign. He's only going to get better. Morrow is a deadeye shooter capable of going off. Harris potential is up, but he is still a solid player. They have alot of picks in the next few years and they have a guy who wants to be part of the stage in the owner. I dont like the billy king hire at all, but if he can turn favors and williams with filler into melo and nene, thats a great move.

 

I think you'd be more likely to see brooks + maybe hill and expirings/draft picks than martin, martin's window would be completely incompatible with what they need/want.

 

Karl took the Nuggs to WCF in 09. What did Avery J do more recently than that?

 

Really hope we acquire Melo without including KevMart in the deal. I would like to see those two play together.

Melo-Mart!

 

In the deal you propose we give up three bench players , one starter, and two first round picks which could possibly be lottery picks for one of the best scorers in the league. We aren't giving up a single all star and we are giving up two picks that only "could" be lottery picks. The only player from our core team from last year that we give up is Battier and we are replacing him with a top 3 player at the same position. Do you think the Nuggets are just going to give Carmelo away to a Western conference team? We have to give them something. If Morey can get Carmelo for that package and have him agree to sign an extension beforehand he would be a full not to accept it.

Carmelo is no Mcgrady. He led his team to the 2nd best record in a tough western conference just a yr ago and led them to the WCF. The guy also carried his college team on his back to a national championship. Those two things alone are more than Tracy ever accomplished. Plus with Yao and Martin we don't need him to carry us anywhere we just need him to play his part.

 

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Couple of issues with your proposal. Murphy can't be traded for 60 days and not just 30. So, this trade would have to take place in early October.

Also, Boone isn't on the Nets anymore. He is a free agent. Doubt the Nets get to sign him for 3 million just to trade him if he isn't getting significant offers from rest of the league.

 

You have to think that Melo would like to end up in the west.

Why would he want to go to the east and face the most "feared" team in Miami

before you even go to the finals. If he stays in the west then he might not

even have to play them and if he did it would be in the finals.