[Yahoo!] Carmelo privately expressing more enthusiasm to join Rockets than Knicks

Agreed on the dollar value. That is easy to achieve with Jefferies and Hill plus either Battier or a player acquired via the trade exception (as long as the salary coming back for said player adds up to the $13.64M amount with the other players we include).

I am pretty sure about using the exception with a third team without the 2 month waiting period. I recall it being done a couple years back, I just can't remember the trade...that comes with old age!..... :grin:

ROCKET!!!

 

Bima,
I just checked Larry Coon's faq. I could not find anything in it that disallowed a third team/trade exception deal, but, that does not mean it is or is not allowed. I could have missed it. Questions 22, 17 an 72 did not address it.

ROCKET!!!

 

Now it's simply a matter of waiting to see what the Nets do. I really do believe that's where Carmelo is most likely to end up, but most likely isn't the same as definitely.

Fingers crossed!

 

Why Melo may be labeled a ball hog, Martin is not. In fact, he's more efficient without the ball with his cuts.

 

its silly season, the kids gottah play.

 

Bima, I did notice you say that Knicks apparently aren't willing to part with Gallo and read it elsewhere. Wonder how true it really is, though, when push comes to shove. Are the Knicks willing to lose Carmelo if that's what Gallo is the one piece that will make the difference?

 

close but I think more needs to be added


Carmelo wants to play for the Knicks.
Denver tells him that NY doesn't have enough trade chips.
Carmelo makes threats.
Denver says they'll call his bluff.
Carmelo backs off.
Denver says they will try to trade him to the Nets.
The Nets get greedy and don't offer enough, because they know the score.
Denver ask Carmelo if they can float Houston as a destination (for leverage).
Carmelo agrees, just wanting to get it over with before camp.
Houston rumor is floated.
CF freaks out.
NY fans freak out.
Hilarity ensues.
Denver waits to see if the Nets up their offer.
..........................................
then Melo figures out that Nets wont be in NY for another 3 years

Melo doesnt want to play in crappy NJ for 3 years in his prime ,with a horrible cast in Nets

Melo then figures out that instead of 6 yr with rockets,sign a 3yr with rockets
Melo knows that Lebron is out in 4 yrs from Miami going to Jayz Nets

Melo wants to join Lebron since joining Amare is futile from crappy NY roster
Melo needs somewhere to play ASAP that is good team,build his brand,win,but also leave in a few years to join his fav team Nets with Lebron (or Paul)

Melo then decides that even if Yao is injured,the Rockets have so many great role players that he can be a starting allstar from china vote,win,not compete with miami,then bolt in 3 years when yao retires and join lebron


THATS THE PLAN for MELO


by joining Knick instead of rockets,alot of things go wrong for melo. he wont be starting allstar because of the lebron/bosh forwards

he wont win,because they will trade assets for melo and nothing,except amare/melo and NO draft picks for those 3 years until he joins nets

amare/melo isnt better than bulls,boston,orlando,heat

KNICKS ARE OUT

Im worried about bulls,orlando,orleans,and nets getting melo.

Team Jordan Kevin martin/melo
Filming movie in china now is melo
yao goes to denver for 1 day
jr smith trains and lives in houston
there are other teams for leverage,he chose rockets because he likes us
he wants to wait for lebron join nets in 4 years,he needs a temporary team to win
he wants to be starting on allstar team(what player wouldnt?)
yao is back
we have every position filled except small forward

his old agent was yaos agent,now his agent is the same as wade/bosh-do you think his agent wants melo competeing against wade/bosh? no- thats why i think melo stays west - rockets

 

doesnt matter. even if the knicks offer up lifetime passes to Scores stripclubs its melos decision to go there....i dont think melo wants to goto knicks-read my above post

 

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/08/game_time_houston_rockets_-_ca.php
great read and a verry plossible trade scenerio :grin:


So what would a Carmelo Anthony to the Rockets trade look like? Well, first let's assume that Kevin Martin will be part of any deal that is a straight up trade with the Nuggets (as opposed to a three or more team deal), partially because there will be a serious scoring void to fill in Denver and partially because he's one of just a few Rockets whose salary gets this deal close to working under the cap.

Next, let's assume that the Rockets will be forced to part with at least one of their (relatively) underpaid, on-the-come assets -- Jordan Hill and Chase Budinger probably chief among these. (Aaron Brooks, too, but with Chauncey Billups and Ty Lawson in Denver, Brooks probably only goes if it's a three team deal.)

Also, the Rockets have control of the Knicks next two first round picks -- the ability to switch with them in 2011 and outright ownership of the Knicks' first round pick in 2012. Assume that one or both of these would be in play, probably the outright pick in 2012 for sure, which is obviously its own asset, as opposed to an uncertain upgrade of an existing asset like switching picks in 2011.

Also, this is all under the assumption that Carmelo signs an extension somewhere in the neighborhood of the three year, $65 million deal Denver has offered up.

So via the magic of the ESPN Trade Machine, I came up with this --

ROCKETS TRADE: SG Kevin Martin, SF Chase Budinger, SF Jared Jeffries (expiring contract) and the Knicks 2012 first round pick (top five protected)

NUGGETS TRADE: SF Carmelo Anthony

The Nuggets are in the unenviable position of knowing they're only going to figuratively get 60 cents on the dollar for Carmelo. In this case, 60 cents comes out to a reasonably priced 20 point per game guy in Martin (with three years left on his deal), a young small forward with big upside in Budinger, nearly $7 million in expiring contract (which could be flipped during deadline time or kept), and a potential lottery pick in 2012.

For the record, if I'm the Rockets, I'd even throw in the "switch with the Knicks in 2011" potential and replace Jeffries with Shane Battier if I had to to get the deal done.

It's rare, in this day and age where players control so much of their destiny either through free agency or de facto free agency (euphemism for "leveraging their way out of town") that a team gets a chance to acquire a game changer like a willing Carmelo Anthony. Even more rare is it that a team is astute enough to have stockpiled the assets to make it happen.

Daryl Morey has.

Now, you just have to make it happen, Daryl. As Bud Fox said, "Piece of cake, Gordo

 

I don't know if Denver would even want Brooks (unless Billups is being shipped out) but I guarantee you that if the Nuggets give Morey a choice between moving Martin or moving Brooks then Aaron is a goner.

 

Because he doesn't pass....and Martin will be wasted.

See this is what I think a lot of people don't get, when you trade for Melo it changes the entire way the team plays.

Brooks fits because he can still stretch the D and give Melo and Yao room to operate, and he is the only dribble penetrating guy that can also create his own shot we have.

Martin is only effective if he is the primary scorer, once he has to share the load, he is wasted.....for evidence see Tyreke Evans last year.

It is more than just picking up Melo, it has a ripple effect on the entire roster.



DD

 

well i was wrong about the agents, melo has the same agent as lebron

do you think the agent wants both clients competeing against each other? or stay in seperate conferences?

i say theyd rather have a rockets/heat finals instead of knicks get destroyed everyyear by heat

 

what i dont like about martin is his SLOW release. god awful. if melo passes him the ball, martin takes so long to release it. martin needs to be in control of the ball,isoing,kinda like mobley. martin is paid alot and gets injured, theres no way i choose martin over brooks.

actually i wouldnt be surprised if BOTH are gone.

we all know lowry is getting paid starters money,wants to start,and is a morey player

we all know martin is injury prone,and the rockets dont have the salary to waste on injury prone players, yao is enough,we dont need another

i say the deal is completely different then all of you are saying. i dont think its patpat,budinger,hill,knick picks, probably more along the lines of martin+brooks and we keep all our other assets.

lowry/smith
lee/battier
melo/budinger
scola/patpat
yao/miller/hill

knick picks 2011/2012

 

You know what else has a ripple effect on the entire roster? Yao Ming suffering another major injury. Morey can continue to tweak the roster after he trades for Carmelo. No big deal.

But giving up Martin and Brook is a lot. I bet if this trade happens, it will be for less than that.

 

You're kidding me.

Martin does everything as well as Brooks does AND he moves better off the ball AND he doesn't need to dribble...dribble....dribble like Aaron often does before he takes his shot.

Brooks is the piece that doesn't fit if the Rockets add Carmelo...not Martin. That doesn't even factor in that we just gave a huge pay day to a PG who actually does fit in with a Melo-centric Rockets in offense in Kyle Lowry.

Morey knows this and that is why Brooks will be the man shipped out if it comes down to one them having to move on.

 

Not sure if this has been posted:

Interesting find from Denver's TrueHoop

It's basically Denver's blog taking trade offers from the other Truehoop's blogs. Pretty interesting... those Nuggets like our assets. Even more interesting is that the blogger was surprised that us Rocket boosters were of the opinion we would have to part with AB or Martin. If we can get Melo by giving up Battier, Jeffries, Hill, and picsk.....

 

All I know is, Denver needs to hurry up and hire a GM so that Morey can own him and bring Melo to Houston

 

Y'know, I'm starting to agree with this. That Melo just doesn't fit with this team. If we do trade for him it means we have to make some adjustments to the team.

I think it may be better in the end to get a guy like Granger or Iggy for much less than what Denver may want and I have confidence in this current team to do some damage this upcoming season.

The Knicks fans have sort of made me realize how underrated our guys are to the rest of the league, and I want these guys to prove them all wrong this season.

While getting Melo is great, it's true...we'll have to mold a team around him and with the upcoming possible lockout...is it worth it?

We have the deepest team in the NBA, lets not try to beat the big market teams like LA-NYC-MIA by building star studded teams. Lets beat them the Detroit or San Antonio way of building teams through drafting, through putting the pieces together, and through getting good value on our players.

 

Dakota,

have you considered that we are team who relies on screens/cuts/and movement because last season we were such an undersized team that is the strategy we had to utilize to be successful?

Perhaps reintroducing Yao and introducing Melo would allow us to move us away from a small game and see more than 42 wins.

 

You have a point but if we trade for melo and give away martin, we'd better hope brooks can be resigned next year. We'd have to keep 1 of 2 of our expiring contract in the hope to signing brooks without getting too far into the luxery tax.