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[Yahoo!] Carmelo privately expressing more enthusiasm to join Rockets than Knicks

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ASidd_1990 said:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2010/10/01/fans-boo-melo-at-wec-event-pepsi-center-next/
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whats up dude? 200 of your posts are fom this thread alone, you should consider retiring from this thread.

#2641 k-money, Oct 2, 2010

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^^

And you should change that ridiculous, long sig you shamelessly display.
(Begging for rep with multiple lines of text and spoiler tags? Gross.)

#2642 Disciple of RP, Oct 2, 2010
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http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/c...um=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter#ixzz11O3s3y5D

It is known that Anthony wants to be traded to a big market, in efforts to both win a title and maximize his marketability. Sources previously said he was interested in going to New Jersey, a franchise that will move to Brooklyn in a couple of years.

Anthony, who has never gone public with his demands, was asked about his marketing prowess, and he said:

"As far as marketing, it comes from winning. If I ain't winning, then nobody wants me to market their product."

So he was asked: "Then why would you want to play for the team that won 12 games last season?"

Anthony then said: "I never said I want to play for the Nets."
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#2643 ASidd_1990, Oct 4, 2010
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Looks like the Melo to Rox effort has been put on the backburner for now. I wonder if the de-stickying of this thread is a sign that some mod received some inside information to that effect.

#2644 iconoclastic, Oct 4, 2010
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Looks like the Melo to Rox effort has been put on the backburner for now. I wonder if the de-stickying of this thread is a sign that some mod received some inside information to that effect.
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no

I unstickied it as promised when you guys managed to not post in it for 24 hours.

now, just let it die for a while, if he was moving they would have done it already. I woudlnt be surprised if talks dont fire back up till Jan.(if then)

#2645 Rockets2K, Oct 4, 2010
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14087362/nuggets-lack-of-sacrifice-hurting-potential-melo-trade

By Ken Berger
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Oct. 6, 2010

The Nuggets continue to aggressively seek trade proposals for Carmelo Anthony, but are finding the market to be limited based on the extensive haul of assets they are trying to get in return, multiple sources told CBSSports.com.

The challenge for the Nuggets, sources say, has been finding a replacement for Andrei Kirilenko in a multi-team deal that in all likelihood would still have Anthony going to New Jersey. Even after a four-team deal also involving Utah and Charlotte went dormant last week, the Nets are "still the team that has the assets and is the most motivated," according to one person connected to the talks. But while the Nuggets remain "very actively" engaged in trade talks during what one source described as "the calm before the storm," finding trade partners able to furnish what Denver is looking for -- an established player, a young player, first-round picks, and cap relief -- has proved to be a major challenge.

In order to trade Melo, the Nuggets might need to up the ante. One way would be to part with Chauncey Billups. (Getty Images) "They're still banging away at this," said one of the people with knowledge of the discussions. "But the well has dried up a little bit."
The four-team deal involving the Bobcats and Jazz, in which New Jersey was sending No. 3 pick Derrick Favors and two first-round picks to Denver, died partly because the Nuggets were intent on trying to squeeze additional assets out of the trade and also because Denver officials were shopping the proposal around in pursuit of a better deal. Additionally, Kirilenko wound up being what one person involved in the process termed "a deal-breaker" due to strong signals that the Russian swingman was not interested in playing in Denver and was cold to the idea of signing an extension there.

Why the Nuggets wouldn't have been content to simply let Kirilenko's $17.8 million expiring contract drop off their books after the season points to another key impediment to Denver making a deal for Anthony. In addition to a high level of concern among Denver front office officials to be regarded by their peers as having extracted top value for Anthony, sources say the Nuggets are holding fast to the notion of trading Anthony while remaining a playoff-contending team. This is a notion that rival executives believe the Nuggets will have to sacrifice if they hope to satisfy Anthony's request for a trade.

"I think they have their marching orders from him that he's gone," one executive familiar with the situation sad. "To call his bluff, that's a scary proposition."

One way to up the ante, another executive said, would be for the Nuggets to sweeten their offer by agreeing to part with veteran point guard Chauncey Billups. Sources believe such a concession would be more than enough to reignite the Bobcats' interest in participating in the deal; Charlotte coach Larry Brown is said to be "freaking out" over his lack of a point guard, according to a source. Billups played for Brown in Detroit, leading the Pistons to the 2004 NBA title as the Finals MVP. Thus far, however, the Nuggets have displayed very little interest in trading Billups, a move that would be a sure signal to their fans that a major rebuilding project is under way.

Despite that obstacle, the Nuggets have escalated their efforts to shop other teams' players around the league in an effort to see what assets could be received for them after acquiring them in an Anthony trade. Denver has explored such an avenue for the Clippers' Chris Kaman, the Bulls' Luol Deng, the Nets' Devin Harris and the Bobcats' Gerald Wallace, sources say. After extending center Joakim Noah's contract, however, the Bulls remain a long shot to enter into the Melo equation. The Bobcats continue to be reluctant to trade Wallace unless they're getting Anthony, who wouldn't sign an extension in Charlotte.

Kaman was discussed in a Melo swap about a month ago, sources say, but the discussions died quickly when it became evident that the Nuggets wanted Eric Gordon in addition to one of the most valuable first-round picks in the league -- Minnesota's pick, which is top-10 protected in 2011 and unprotected in '12. Given that they have Nene, the Nuggets didn't value Kaman beyond his contract as a tool to make the deal work under league trade rules; Kaman makes $11.8 million this season and $12.7 million in '11-12. The Clippers, sources say, would favor a deal that does not include Kaman -- particularly since keeping him would enhance Anthony's belief that he would be part of a top-tier team in the West with a core of Kaman, Baron Davis, Blake Griffin and himself. The wild card in that scenario is Anthony's affinity for Los Angeles, which is shared by his wife, actress La La Vasquez.

As previously reported, among the other established players Denver has targeted as having decent replacement value for Anthony are Anderson Varejao and Andre Iguodala. The chances of Anthony signing an extension with Cleveland are "zippo," according to one source who said you can "scratch Varejao off the list." Several weeks ago, the Nuggets asked the Sixers about acquiring Iguodala in a deal that would send Anthony to New Jersey, but the proposal was rejected. Currently, there is "nothing happening" with the Sixers on that front, according to a source.

Another team that could emerge as a facilitator in an Anthony trade is the Pistons. Sources say the Nuggets inquired several weeks ago about the availability of Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince -- with a particular emphasis on Prince, whose $11.1 million contract is expiring and would provide a cost-cutting tool for the Nuggets. At the time, Pistons president Joe Dumars quickly dismissed the invitation. But sources say there's a chance Detroit's posture could change with reports this week that the team will be sold to Tigers and Red Wings owner Mike Ilitch.

The Knicks, Anthony's first choice, continue to make efforts to be part of a new framework for a Melo trade and have laid the groundwork to acquire a first-round pick that would be necessary to make them a serious contender. But the Knicks are limited in the other assets they possess, and also know they could be the biggest winners of all in the Melo sweepstakes if they have patience. If Denver is unable to trade Anthony by the February deadline, he'd be headed to New York as a free agent -- although after a potential lockout, and probably at a lower price tag than the three-year, $65 million extension he can get under the current collective bargaining agreement.

That's a pretty big risk in a high-stakes game that gets more complicated by the day.
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I don't think we're out of this thing yet.

#2646 jopatmc, Oct 7, 2010
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I didn't even see Houston mentioned in that article.

#2647 Angkor Wat, Oct 7, 2010

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jopatmc said:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14087362/nuggets-lack-of-sacrifice-hurting-potential-melo-trade

I don't think we're out of this thing yet.
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its amazing that he can take up that much bandwith for an article that basically sums up everything we already knew

#2648 NJRocket, Oct 7, 2010
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Angkor Wat said:

I didn't even see Houston mentioned in that article.
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Basically what that article is stating is that the Nuggets still want to remain a playoff team after the Melo era.

If they want to part with Billups, then a package surrounding Aaron Brooks is getting sweeter and more attractive.

Also if they want to remain competitive, we could offer them probably the best SG that's reasonably attainable in Kevin Martin.

A Billups/Martin/Harrington/Martin/Nene lineup could still get the Nuggets into the playoffs.

#2649 ASidd_1990, Oct 7, 2010
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We all knew this thread couldn't die.

#2650 Bo6, Oct 7, 2010
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ASidd_1990 said:

Basically what that article is stating is that the Nuggets still want to remain a playoff team after the Melo era.

If they want to part with Billups, then a package surrounding Aaron Brooks is getting sweeter and more attractive.

Also if they want to remain competitive, we could offer them probably the best SG that's reasonably attainable in Kevin Martin.

A Billups/Martin/Harrington/Martin/Nene lineup could still get the Nuggets into the playoffs.
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I'm tired of seeing every one speculating the Rockets would trade Kevin Martin for Melo. It make's no sense, you bring Melo to play on the side of martin... not for any other reason. Martin IS our Star along with Scola.

#2651 ILoveTheRockets, Oct 7, 2010
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I'm tired of seeing every one speculating the Rockets would trade Kevin Martin for Melo. It make's no sense, you bring Melo to play on the side of martin... not for any other reason. Martin IS our Star along with Scola.
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you have to trade talent to get talent.

i don't know if it will happen...but i'd trade lesser talent in K-Mart for greater talent in Carmelo every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Carmelo is a 2nd team All NBA type player. K-Mart is a borderline all star.

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I agree you have to give up something to get it and the fact that were bult that we still have courtney lee who is very serviceable makes it easier for us to rid of k-mart...

nonetheless, if carmelo knows anything abotu marketing he will goto the nets who will soon have the hottest new arena and acces to the biggest market in the NBA, they played worse than there talent last year and have as good as role players as you will see in devin harris, brook lopez, troy murphy, outlaw, terrence williams, morrow and a defensive winning coach in avery johnson, they just need a nucleus or a star to bring it together and whoever that star is will get all the credit to save that franchise and more glory to it.

that and the yao market with us are his best options

#2653 showtang043, Oct 7, 2010

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This is just like the situation we had with Tmac. Both the Nuggets and their subsequent trading partner must be desperate enough to pull the trigger. Giving up Billups seems excessive at first, but with some foresight it makes sense (but not via trade). If Denver sends Anthony away chances are they won't renew Billups contract and will probably waive him next June. This is because Billups alone will not get them that much closer to a championship team. This will net them an overall savings of around $10 mil. The loss of both Anthony and Billups will defer Denver to a rebuild phase. I don't see a way or a reason Denver would keep Billups contract sans Anthony.

Houston is a great destination for Anthony because we have the picks that are perfect for a team in a rebuild state of mind. If a Brooks and Bud, or a Hill and Books combo were thrown in (as opposed to just fillers) the deal would be almost too much to pass up. The problem that we have right now is that Denver honestly thinks they can win something (albeit at best it would be a low seeded playoff spot). Denver needs to be far and away from playoff aspirations before waving the white flag and trading Anthony. At that point, Denver will realize the best course of action is to get rid of Anthony and Billups and start over. Billups waved will better fit the team than Billups traded. The reason is, because Denver (and most likely its trade partner) is over the cap Billups would come at a cost. Chances are a team would not send over expiring contracts in trade for Billups, they would send over longer term contracts. The last thing a rebuild team needs is weight. Denver would rather just waive Billups and save the money in his place.

Ultimately what is stopping Denver from trading Billups is not that they want to retain him on their roster (as the CBS article makes it seem), but because the trade of Billups really doesn't do anything special for them, in a way its almost two steps forward three steps back. What Denver needs is an overall feeling of hopelessness. Then and only then these two players are trade-able because Denver will have nothing to lose.

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Professional Basketball Team Interested In Trade For Professional Basketball's Carmelo Anthony.

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They want to remain competitive while also getting back young talent and picks?

How about a "Godfather" package of Martin + Jeffries + Hill + Battier for Carmelo + Smith + Anderson?

#2656 ASidd_1990, Oct 7, 2010
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man i was hoping he would be moved by training camp, and now preseason has started. If they dont trade him before the beginning of the season they are gonna get robbed on the deadline because they will take anything they can get rather than lose him for nothing.

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Another team that could emerge as a facilitator in an Anthony trade is the Pistons. Sources say the Nuggets inquired several weeks ago about the availability of Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince -- with a particular emphasis on Prince, whose $11.1 million contract is expiring and would provide a cost-cutting tool for the Nuggets. At the time, Pistons president Joe Dumars quickly dismissed the invitation. But sources say there's a chance Detroit's posture could change with reports this week that the team will be sold to Tigers and Red Wings owner Mike Ilitch.
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http://www.detnews.com/article/2010...ut-a-quality-guard--Pistons-are-missing-point

The Pistons will remain in a holding pattern unless they get a legitimate starting point guard. In order to win big in today's NBA you need one of two things -- even more than a top-flight big man. You need a big-time superstar or a high-caliber point guard. ... The Pistons simply could not score enough last season. They ranked 29th in scoring (94.0 points per game) and 26th in assists (19.4). These numbers were the result of poor ball movement and distribution. A good point guard does not allow that. He not only distributes the ball but makes demands of people. The Pistons don't have that guy. And until they do, they are simply another team running around in shorts with no purpose.
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http://www.freep.com/article/201010...ports/Pistons-weird-roster-probably-wont-last

Pistons' weird roster probably won't last

But the question marks are biggies, and they’ll take awhile to answer. Will Charlie V. turn it around? Will Prince and Hamilton get traded? Will Tracy McGrady be a factor? Will Rip be content to come off the bench? (He'd better be, because Stuckey and Gordon should comprise the starting backcourt.) Will the Pistons ever acquire a point guard? (I know, that’s just silly.)
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http://www.detnews.com/article/2010...ut-a-quality-guard--Pistons-are-missing-point

http://www.freep.com/article/201010...ports/Pistons-weird-roster-probably-wont-last
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Aaron Brooks to Detroit?

Maybe a three way in which they land Brooks, we land Melo and the Nuggets get Prince and/or Hamilton?

#2659 ASidd_1990, Oct 7, 2010
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worzel gummidge said:

http://www.detnews.com/article/2010...ut-a-quality-guard--Pistons-are-missing-point

http://www.freep.com/article/201010...ports/Pistons-weird-roster-probably-wont-last
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Didn't they just acquire a fully healthy high quality superstar point forward who is going to surprise everbody?

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