[Yahoo!] Carmelo privately expressing more enthusiasm to join Rockets than Knicks

So we trade Jordan Hill (2009 lottery pick), Jeffries (future cap flexibility) and/or J Taylor (guard depth), and a future 2nd round draft pick for... A bench big?

Or we can just sign Dampier for $2 mil/year and keep those assets. Why get involved? Morey facilitating deals actually pisses other organizations off as collateral damage, if we are not getting significantly better, getting under luxury tax, or acquiring assets there's not enough of a motivation.

 

<p>The motivation is to try and win now. I personally feel that Nene can be that guy that can spell Scola and Yao. He can also be a legit starter if Yao goes down. There will not be another star available, and if so we still have other assets and NY picks. Hill will probably not play much if everyone is healthy, and the same with Taylor. I think we have a small chance to compete for the title, and Nene gives us a better chance than Hill and Taylor. And the plus is we didn't trade any of our main guys, and kept our and NY's 1st rd picks.

 

Nene is far from a bench big.

I would trade Hill, Jeffries, Taylor for Nene any day of the week.

ESPN's outlook on Nene in 2010-2011.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1713

Dude would instantly become our best backup C in the Yao era and could even play some 4 along Yao to counter Bynum and Gasol.

 

Thank you Asidd. Atleast someone seeing where I'm coming from.

 

Still not worth it, ESPN's outlook doesn't account for him in our rotation so I don't care about those numbers obviously. Jeffries plays a role for us, Chuck plays a role for us, Brad Miller is getting paid so he had better play a role for us. You can say Nene is better than a bench big, but that just makes him too valuable for our rotation/system. A good GM doesn't just look at players but looks at what you need for the money and if you're wasting talent/potential then no point getting involved in every deal that's made.

Neither of you look at it from my perspective, morey can't do what he does if he's involved in every other deal. Sit and wait, I think Hill + Jeffries + J taylor + 2nd round pick isn't worth a big that will take minutes away from role players even if he gives us better minutes. Nene is better than Dampier--agreed, but is Nene > Dampier + Jeffries + J Taylor + Hill + 2nd round pick? Definitely not.


What ever happened to trading one of the NY First rounders outright for Nene?

 

Wait hold up.....

LOL did you really just bring in a fantasy quote to justify shipping off 4 assets for a bench big? Yeah, that's not winning franchise management.

Yeah fantasy basketball advice is the worst advice to ever give a GM. That has absolutely nothing to do with winning basketball.

 

You must be on crack if you think Jeffries and Hill are better than Nene!

If we already had Dampier on our team, I would so do a Dampier, Jeffries, Taylor and Hill for Nene trade minus the pick.

We would free up the logjam at the 4 and Nene is still relatively young for a big man at 28.

Dude is the Kevin Martin of Centers. He scores at an insanely efficient rate and rebounds and blocks shots at the same rate as Dampier, probably better.

Against the bigger teams in the league like the Lakers or Celtics, we could use this lineup, assuming Lee knows how to handle the ball.

Lee
Martin
Battier
Nene
Yao

Nene could easily play 30 minutes a game on our team, especially with Yao limited to 24 minutes, which Adelman said is the Max he will play.

I would be more comfortable with Nene getting the bulk of the minutes at center in the even Yao goes down rather than Hayes, Miller or Hill.

Nene could also be helpful to rest Yao as well come playoff time.

 

Stats don't lie bro.

He average 15 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals and a block a game. That was when he took a dip in stats!

I'd have him in a heartbeat and he is certainly not a "bench big". He could start for a championship contender, which he did during his tenure with the Nuggets.

 

<p>Hill is a prospect that was getting outplayed by other prospects in the Summer league. I think those NY picks could potentially become better players than Hill. Or they could be used to get an All Star if one comes available. we can not just get Nene with just picks anyway.

 

I like Nene, but 11M for a backup??? 2 years???

No thanks

PeAcE

 

My last reply to Asidd on this point:

I agree Nene is a better player than ANY of them, but he isn't worth losing them as assets. (I think I said this once before already)

I even said he would give BETTER minutes, but is making our bench better worth losing those assets? We just gave a ton a $$ to Brad Miller. So we do a third-rate fire sale AFTER signing Brad Miller? I want to see what the old fella has left. I'm also curious to see how Chase runs with the 2nd unit.

At the end of the day we don't have a championship team at the moment, that's the way ownership sees it. Getting Nene isn't gonna get us there. We get a bit better but we potentially lose the ability to become a championship team with a real trade with those assets and a couple more. I'm curious to hear other people's opinion on that point. You just seem to explain to me why Nene is a good professional basketball player. Congratulations, you've done that. Thread can move on.

IMO, we should pursue AI from Philly, he is the athletic 3 that can defend that we have been wanting, so I don't want Morey to give up anything we could use to make that trade or another big one happen by the deadline.

PD, you're right, me calling him a lottery pick was clear embellishment on my part :grin: but he is young and can only get better, probably will be packaged in a future deal if something happens though.

 

<p> Ha ha ha. I knew it. You are one those guys who would rather give up Bttier, Buddinger, Jefferies, Hill and NY picks for AI. Think about it, we will givee up core players and draft picks. In the deal I presented, we are not giving up anything significant. Hill (outplayed in summer league), Jefferies (well), Taylor (I really would liketo see what he can do, but we have Martin and Lee), 2nd rd pick that will be a late in the rd.

 

And by the way we still have assets. Lets count them<p>Brooks, Lowry, Lee, Battier, Buddinger, Patterson and we will still have NY picks as well as our 1 rd picks for any trade.<p>And if Yao doesn't come back to his form, we can trade him as an expiring, and still have Nene, Miller Scola, Hayes, Patterson.

 

I think Budinger is here to stay.

 

<p> I agree. I was just making a point that Hill, Taylor and a future 2nd are not the only assets we have. And we will have to give him up to get AI.

 

This might end up being like the time Kobe wanted out of LA, but they just never traded him. Of course, there's been more proposed deals in this case, but I wouldn't be surprised if Denver just holds on to Melo and/or Melo has a change of heart.

I hope he gets traded, though, just for the hell of it, whether it's to the Rockets or not. Just not the Knicks. :grin:

 

<p>I agree that I want Bud to stay, but just about anyone is available in the right deal.

 

<p>That's how I feel, and the Rockets should do what they can(anything reasonable) to prevent him from being traded to the Knicks.

 

We have faded in discussion about Carmelo. This thread is now a 125 page monster, and it will only take a small twitter blurb to jack it up to the 200 mark. Hope is blind just like Melo.

 

I don't believe the bit about the Nugs not wanting to take on AK-47's contract. He is an expiring deal.

If we couldn't do anything else, I would love to trade out Jeffries and Hill for AK-47 and a future first. Then re-sign AK-47 to MLE money. He would be a great fit here and would help our entire game, offensive ball movement, and defense help and taking charges with his notorious flops. Yeah, I know we all hate him. But he can ball and he would fit great here with his efficient game.