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[yahoo/ap] FCC Loses Key Ruling on Internet

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CrazyDave, Apr 6, 2010.

  1. rtsy

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  2. rhadamanthus

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    I'm reasonably certain you have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  3. Landlord Landry

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    LAUGH OUT LOUD
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    Yeah, keep the government away from it, so that private companies can rape it instead. Nice logic.
     
  5. rtsy

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    Funny that you don't trust the TSA but love the FCC.

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  6. rhadamanthus

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    A wonderfully articulated and thoroughly researched rejoinder. I envy your wit and knowledge regarding this subject.

    Truly...

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  7. weslinder

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    Net Neutrality is a solution desperately looking for a problem. Add to that the fact that I don't trust the FCC as far as I can throw them, and I think that it could end up really hurting e-commerce. If any of the fantastical scenarios that Yahoo and Google have dreamed up to promote Net Neutrality ever do come to pass, I'm pretty sure that they can be taken care of by antitrust laws.
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    No, it's trying to prevent a known problem from occurring by codifying the way the system already works and was designed to work.
     
  9. Commodore

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    That Reason video sums it up perfectly.

    If you have a problem with an ISP, don't subscribe to it. Demand something else.

    Don't force your will on another party because you don't like what they are doing.
     
  10. weslinder

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    By expanding the power of the nannies at the FCC. Please tell me you have a problem with this. You're too smart not to.
     
  11. rhadamanthus

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    I respectfully submit that my support is for actual net neutrality, as in "every packet of data is treated exactly the same as any other packet of data", and not for some quasi-neutral plan set up by the FCC. I would rather have "nannies" guarding said policy as opposed to corporate-controlled throttling. The citizenry has some capability to influence the FCC - you have virtually no influence over a corporation. Sure, in theory you could vote with your wallet, but Commodore's argument fails because broadband in the US is basically a conglomeration of colluding monopolies.
     
  12. weslinder

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    I don't think you'll get that, but I'm almost positive that you will get a closer approximation by letting the Justice Department bring anti-trust suits against providers that do throttle service.
     
  13. rhadamanthus

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    I don't think even the FCC can screw up what basically amounts to a requirement for "dumb pipe" - but I've been proven drastically wrong in similar situations before so...meh.

    And come on - anti-trust suits? Rare, ineffective, costly, and unbelievably lengthy.
     
  14. weslinder

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    This is not true at all. They are rare, costly, unbelievably lengthy, and incredibly effective. Successful anti-trust suits have always made a real difference in competition among businesses.
     
  15. thadeus

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    I know that you're probably just trolling right now but I feel that I should point out - you will NEVER be anywhere near as wealthy as the men whose dicks you constantly suckle on.
     
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    Examples please. The last mammoth company that I can recall that faced this charge (Microsoft) eventually got a "get out of jail free card" for all intents and purposes. You're basically trading the FCC for the DoJ, and I am even less trusting of the latter - and I would hope that you would acquiesce to that point too.
     
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    Nice - yet another literal restatement of an ideological principle that no longer has any practical connection to reality.
     
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    One relevant to both of us: AspenTech buying out Hyprotech, obtaining a monopoly in several kinds of simulation, being forced to divest in some of those, and provide the technology free to competitors in others.
     
  19. rhadamanthus

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    Fair enough - but that is a massive case of "small potatoes". If you're going to go after the big guys like AT&T, Verizon, or Comcast you better have some serious guns, and even then you can be totally undermined if lobbyists catch the right politician at the right time.

    I don't buy it. I'll take the FCC mandating dumb pipe over faith in our legal system any day of the week.
     
  20. thadeus

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    I love it when wealthy profit-whores and the bootlickers in federal government combine forces to screw me over.

    This ain't a "big government vs. the free market" issue - it's about wealthy and powerful people getting together to violently anal rape those of us who can't afford to attend their $5000-a-plate fundraisers.

    You r****ds who think this is some victory for "your side" don't recognize that you just got raped as hard as those of us who don't believe in the "free market" - the only difference is that you liked it.
     
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