[Y! Sports] Rockets, Knicks may be closing in on a deal

first round picks are first round picks and attaching "New York's first round pick" will automatically get teams interested.


The Rockets do not need to draft players themselves with these picks but can trade them in a deal to get a star player here...Most teams will want a young talent (which we have plenty of) and future picks which Morey is getting here.


the only question is can the 2011 swap be traded? seems like the Rockets would hold onto that pick and trade our own 2010 pick (after we draft player for the other team) and the knicks 2012

 

You're assessment is right,but I'm quite sure that the Knicks will try to retain Chandler. They need to keep role players around any potential stars that they may acquire.

 

Exactly. They'll definitely spend the money, but they'll end up overpaying a Ron Artest-level player that might make them a marginal eighth-seed contender. I don't see the case for an elite-level talent that could carry that team to sign there. Yes, it's New York - but you're talking a team with no playoff appearances in a decade, playing for less money (a HUGE deal to those guys) and a team that would have next to nothing in S&T assets. Can see it coming from a mile away.

 

That 2012 1st round pick better be unprotected.

 

isiah thomas is not their GM anymore unfortunately. i think if no FA signs with NY, they'll just resign tmac for cheap and lee and save that for next year or something.

walsh is one of the best GMs in the L.

 

Makes sense...Load up on assets and go for the big fish through sign and trade or something of that nature.

 

trading for harrington hurts NY more than it helps the Rockets...
and indirectly, this is better for Utah...hrrmmm...quite the predicament...

 

You'd really throw Scola into the deal just to get Foye? I do believe we can get better than that for Scola.

 

it more than likely will be

the 2010 pick for the knicks was part of the marbury trade back in 04 and it was lottery protected for 5-6 years till the protection was finally taken off.


what may happen is that the pick if lottery protected will become limited protection (1-5?) in 2013 to none in 2014 etc.

its still very valuable

 

I think they buy Jeffries out in the summer. Also, the picks are where we come out on top in this deal, Morey gets two first round picks and a second, that's bad news for the NBA.

 

I think he knows my side of it, but is simply banking on McGrady to change their fortunes. Potentially, if he were healthy and ready, he could help them make a playoff push this year, elevating their stock - and since they'd have his rights, he could conceivably play with one of those higher-level FAs and offer them a sidekick, making NY more intriguing than it appears now.

Walsh could be right, and you know Tracy can say the right things behind-the-scenes and look fine in workouts. But I (and I think the Rockets too) don't trust Tracy at all when it comes to on-court play, no matter what he says - and I think that's where Walsh disagrees with us.

 

Good points. I'm digressing,but I want to ask you the impact of this potential trade on re-signing Lowry and Scola. Assuming it's Hill and Hughes(more likely than Hill and Harrington). I admit I'm somewhat conflicted,since Hill and Hughes are more likely to lead to a lottery pick rather than having Harrington.

 

Well I was thinking about players who can play PG/SG who are available and are good players and has an expiring contract or a contract worth keeping and he's the best player I could think of.

 

Some additional thoughts on the implications of this trade:

--Jared Jeffries suffers from what I like to call "The Juwan Howard Effect". This is an affliction in which a fairly decent player manages to get signed to a lucrative long-term deal, after which his success as a player falls far short of fans' expectations of him based on the size of his contract. He didn't "quite trying" once he got his money; he just was never worth the money to begin with. He is still a quality player who can add value to a team on the basketball court; but he will never be viewed as anything more than a disappointment because of his contract. To me, if this trade goes through as reported by Wojo, Jared Jeffries will be my hero. Not only is he still a somewhat decent player (by no means is he another Brian Cook, basketball-wise), he will be THE reason that the Rockets acquired all those potential lottery picks. WELCOME TO HOUSTON, JARED!!!

--As I've said before many times, the Rockets available cap space was never going to net the team anything of significant value. In the meantime, the Rockets should be able to absorb Jeffries's salary, re-sign Scola and Lowry AND be able to use the full MLE this summer (starting salary of ~$5.6M) in free agency, all without going over the luxury tax threshold. Frankly, I'd rather have all of those assets than go to work with $7-8M in cap room.

--This trade gives the Knicks the opportunity to add one max player and a second player at near-max money. The problem is, that second player will most likely end up being EITHER Tracy McGrady OR David Lee. The Knicks can't sign two big-time free agents AND keep either of those two. So, you're looking at the Knicks' likely best case scenario being adding Lebron or Wade or Bosh to a team consisting of [either McGrady or Lee], Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas and Eddy Curry. The Knicks will likely lose Duhon, [whichever of Harrington/Hughes isn't traded], and Nate Robinson. And, since the Knicks will be under the cap, they cannot fill out their roster with the MLE or LLE. Frankly, that's not a roster capable of being a high playoff seed. And that's New York's BEST case scenario. More likely, New York gets no superstar and scrambles to find a second-tier star (e.g., Carlos Boozer) to take their money. Meaning: that right to swap 2011 picks is looking pretty good.

--The owners are calling for a repeal of all salary cap exceptions under the new CBA in 2011. Depending on the timeline of events in June-July 2011, this may result in the Knicks having (a) a lower salary cap to deal with and (b) no exceptions to use to add talent, making it VERY difficult for the Knicks to improve from 2010-11 to 2011-12. Meaning: that 2012 pick is not likely to be much lower than their 2011 pick and could quite possibly be much higher in the draft.

To all those haters killing Morey over this reported trade, chew on that before registering your complaints.

 

Good point - even if the Knicks picks are low, a 20th pick by Morey is like a 10th pick for anybody else :grin:

 

i think alot of people are underestimating Al Harrington, him coming off the bench wouuld be huge. 2 big scorers in al and landry. He's in the same class as Jason Terry imo.

Hayes
Scola
Battier
Ariza
Brooks

Al Harrington - Andersen
Landry - Hill
Jefferies
Budinger - Taylor
Lowry - Temple

Not bad at all. I think we could make a push to the playoffs. 6-8 seed.

 

Thanks for the info...chewed like bubble tape.

 

so is it done?

 

The Rockets lose in any kind of deal involving Jeffries. I hope all this is just McGrady's people trying to put pressure on the teams involved through the media.