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[Y! Sports' Marc Spears on Knicks, James, Wade] These guys aren't coming, man

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. BasketballReasons

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    Thats why I asked the question:"Can Lee be resigned?" and thats why I put in the starting 5: "Lee or Veteran C".

    Before criticizing, you should learn to read.

    As for Bima's threads, I am very aware of them..
     
  2. Baqui99

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    Haha. Watch, they'll end up filling out the roster with D-leaguers Joey Dorsey, Will Conroy, and Garrett Temple.
     
  3. RocketsPimp

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    Not to mention Atlanta is going to have to be persuaded big time to deal Johnson to another East team. I've been saying it since the whole 2010 free agent debate began........NY is not getting two top flight FAs.

    LeBron is NOT going there. Wade is debatable simply because Miami doesn't have all that much better talent than NY to put along side him. Bosh.....maybe.
     
  4. ArtV

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    Hey and don't forget about Curry because you know no team is taking him back in their S&T
     
  5. A_3PO

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    It's LeBron or bust for the Knicks and I hope it's bust. If they end up with Boozer + JJ or (even better) Boozer + Rudy Gay, I will LOL for a long time. Without a top-tier PG and without LeBron, the Knicks under D'Antoni will do nothing but disappoint.

    I'm not sure if LeBron respects D'Antoni as a head coach because he doesn't teach defense. Maybe he would go there if the Knicks hired a top defensive assistant coach.

    I want this whole salary dump strategy to fail miserably.
     
  6. Kim

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    Learn how to write re-signed instead of resigned then. They mean different things. And you didn't ask a question either; you just stated that you didn't know for sure, so I clarified it for you. And if you do read Bima's posts, then you have a lack reading comprehension, because he's made it pretty clear that the Knicks must renounce their rights to Lee in order to attain maximum cap space.

    Anyhow, I wasn't trying to offend you in my first reply. I was just dropping some knowledge.

    More importantly, it is only my opinion that your Knicks teams scenario won't be good enough for the 6th seed. I hope you're wrong for the Rockets sake. If the Knicks sign 2 max FA's, then they only have minimum salaries to offer anyone else. It's not that far fetched to picture decent veterans signing up to play with LeBron and Bosh, but it's more of a stretch to think they'll do the same for a Gay Boozer combo.

    Their team will be Gallanari, Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry, and Toney Douglas, plus 2 max FAs (Gay Boozer in your scenario). If they do sign and trades, then they'd have to give up something...and they don't have much left to give up. And the Knicks don't have a 1st round pick this year, so no John Wall.
     
  7. A_3PO

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    Donnie Walsh indicated the extra cap space the Knicks got in the McGrady trade could be good for David Lee. I interpret this to mean that the Knicks plan to sign one max free-agent + Lee + filler. This way they could sign filler players at higher than the league minimum.
     
  8. xiki

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    NBA rotations are generally 8-9 'deep'. Two '2nd tier' FAs + Gallinari + Chandler + McG = 3-4 guys at the 2-3 and no meat in the middle.

    In the top heavy, unbalanced East maybe the Knixies do make a run at the 8th spot. Maybe.

    But, if the Knixies have to settle for two 2nd tier guys then how much room do they have left for the following summer for one more max stud? Curry out, so there could be some room.
     
  9. Dave_78

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    Pretty sweet.

    The Knicks are going to pay guys like Boozer and Gay the type of money that Lebron and Wade will get. LOL
     
  10. jopatmc

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    If the Knicks do not get two primo free agents in 2010, I'm pretty sure they will use their cap space to take other expirings off other teams in exchange for that team's first round draft pick. Would not be surprised if the Knicks wound up with 2 or 3 first rounders by taking in salary dumps next season. They will find teams at the trade deadline that are over the luxury tax and out of the playoff chase. They'll take on an expiring contract with their cap space in an imbalanced trade. The catch will be they pick up the other team's first round pick, top 1 protected.
     
  11. Kim

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    Is Lee not considered a max player? The max is somewhere in the $14 mill range, so how much less would Lee be?
     
  12. A_3PO

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    Don't forget the new CBA. Even with Curry moving off the books, it is very doubtful the Knicks will be able to sign a max FA in the summer of 2011 if they spend every penny this summer.

    For that matter, many people feel a lengthy lockout is a given.
     
  13. bugerking3

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    in the 3/3 ryan russillo nba podcast on espn, he throws out this tidbit:

    he asks if the knicks did the trade that overpaid houston with picks to take JJ because they know they have Lebron already in the bag already? It's not like tampering doesn't happen. Maybe LBJ told the knicks "free up space, i want a sidekick, make it happen".

    Something to think about....
     
  14. ArtV

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    They had a similiar discussion on PMI the other day and the guy was right that any team the Lebron goes to will be a winner. The thing he didn't say was he would be on a championship team. There in lies the problem. Sure Lebron would be a winner on the NYKs in the east but would that team (even with DWade + scraps) be enough to win it all? Doubtful. Winning is not what Lebron or Wade shoot for - it is winning it all. And most stars (look at Kobe, Lebron, etc) scream for help because they know that while they can turn a loser team into a winner, they cannot win a championship by themselves.

    So the question becomes does Lebron and others think so strongly that the NYKs have enough to win it all that they are willing to take a paycut?

    IMO - Hello Booser and Gay.
     
  15. pppbigppp

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    NY is pretty much screwed

    See, their timing is totally off. They are banking to sign Wade/LBJ/Bosh this summer. But they guys aren't going dump 30M to reset their career back to square one. They specifically structure their current contracts so that they can extract the most out of the current CBA. This is their last opportunity to a max deal using the current Franchise-killing payscale.

    By not getting the big 3, NY is bound to overpay 2nd tier top free agents. While those are still good players. NY would have pay much less for them once the new CBA kicks in. And when it does, their near-max signing will be bloated in relation to the new cap.

    NY has no asset to S&T, no picks either. At least they still have Tracy. Fun time
     
  16. Williamson

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    I do think teams like New Jersey and Chicago are in far better shape to lure one of those top free agents (not that I think they'll land one). New Jersey already has some talent on the roster (Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, + role players). Add two top tier free agents and a top 5 lottery pick? Yeah. That team could be insanely good. And in Chicago? A guy like Lebron being added to Rose, Noah, and Deng? Yeah. Not bad either.

    It also means both of those teams are in a better position to sign and trade for a top tier free agent too. Because they actually have assets. Every way you look at it, New York just does not look to be in a good position to land a top free agent.

    I think their best case scenario is Bosh + Johnson.
     
  17. mylilpony

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    Ummm those guys you suggest are all black.

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  18. BasketballReasons

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    As I said in another post, I don't think Gay or Boozer will receive MAX money.

    And for the language situation, I speak 5 languages and english isn't my mother tongue.
    Sorry for not spelling perfectly for your Texan eyes.
     
  19. BasketballReasons

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    Hahaha my bad, then I guess this man is perfect for them:

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  20. leebigez

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    I never thought the knicks could get 2 max guys. Its lebron or bust and i think its going to be bust in terms of players,but they can add players through ingesting a salary and using curry + chandler or gallanari to get a player.

    Minny has stated they want a scoring wing player. Gallanari or chandler fits the bill on that. They probably could get jefferson for curry and chandler or gallanari. I don't think they will get all the guys they're shooting for, but they can comprise a team with good players who can compete for te playoffs which would be better than what they have.
     

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