From the same article: What good is it to have far superior specs when 98% of the games will come out identical, or very close to identical? That's what I was referring to...the information, although accurate, can also be very misleading. http://techland.time.com/2013/09/13/id-be-skeptical-of-reports-about-the-playstation-4-being-50-faster-than-xbox-one/#ixzz2enu3eqLR Microsoft is a software company...Sony is a hardware company. Of course Sony will have the better specs, but when it comes to software, Microsoft has been leading the way for a long time. My guess is that they can do a lot with the specs that they have set forth. Will the MS exclusives be as graphically impressive as the PS4 exclusives? Probably not...but in the end, its all about the gameplay and the experience. That's all to be determined...but these articles stating that its 50% faster, better, stronger tend to alter the perceptions of the masses who dont know any better.
People are always looking for things they can say is an advantage for PS4 over the One even if they don't understand it... Too bad there really aren't any..... Its like saying... Well PS4 has blast processing.... What? Blast processing!!!... Look at the specs of the PS4, its a lot faster and better than Xbox.... Yeah hmmm stfu..... Xbox One games are going to look just as good as PS4... Xbox One is going to have better software and possibly even games.... How do I know? Because most of the people talking crap are typing on a Microsoft OS that they use every day and run perfectly on their underpowered cheap laptops and desktops they buy from best buy and office depot....
I agree that the multi-plat game will look the same on xbox one as it does on ps4 since the devs wouldn't be able to afford to have a huge noticeable difference between the 2 versions. there would be huge backlash. but the ps4 exclusives will look better than the xbox one exclusives, just like this gen ps3 had better looking exclusives than xbox 360. im not a fanboy, i hate fanboys, but im just sharing my opinion.
Maybe so, maybe ps4 exclusives will look better but that is yet to be seen. The look of a game is not necessarily determined by the specs but by the artists behind the game. There are games on the orginal Xbox that still look amazing because of the artists and design team. And we can all agree that Xbox is nowhere near an Xbox 360 and a over 10 years away from an Xbox One.... Chronicles of Riddick an Xbox exclusive is one of those games that today still looks amazing. Judge for yourself This game was released in 2004 almost 10 years ago..... Both on xbox and Pc. Both the original Xbox and Pc's of the time would be underpowered vs the 360 but that does not mean the game looks bad. For the time it was one of the best looking games and its not because of the crazy specs but because of the artist and design teams behind it....
ps3 was technically more powerful than 360 but it was harder to develop for so the games ended up looking around the same or better on 360. This generation though, the PS4 is both more powerful specswise AND easier to develop for. When the ps2 and xbox were out xbox multiplatform games looked noticeably better than PS2 games. I predict that it will be around the same this time around, with PS4 games looking better than xbox one games, even multiplatform ones.
That seems to only be talking about launch games, which doesn't surprise me. These are games developed on incomplete hardware, incomplete tools, and likely just up-ported versions of PS3/360 games. Majority of PS4 games were developed with 2GB/4GB of RAM in mind (even the 1st party games). Tools/drivers for both are changing all the time (especially on the XBO side, though think they have caught up). They just need to get the games in a working state by launch, so they're not at all worried about optimizing things too much (I still find it crazy how huge of a difference a few weeks can mean to some games). It is unclear to me how the games after launch will fare though, once devs have more time to optimize their games (or build their games from scratch with next-gen specs in mind). Devs can certainly do their best to keep the two relatively similar, though it is unclear to me what "similar" means there. Is 1080p @ a solid 30 FPS on PS4 "similar" (or "identical") to 900p @ 25 FPS on XBO? Are Xbox versions of multiplatform games identical to PS2/GC versions of games? Etc. That is a pretty horrible opinion piece (gotta make sure I throw in the tablet/smartphone jab!). Though...it is an opinion piece, so what do you expect I guess... True. Though FWIW, I couldn't care less to discuss which system is "better" overall, which will win the console war, or whatever. I'm just interested in discussing the level of performance we should come to expect with each. On the other hand, I also think it is also misleading to pretend there isn't/won't be any difference. The significance is subjective, and it is up to each person to determine whether it makes a difference. But there is certainly a pretty big difference here. I know a lot of gamers preferred the 360 in this generation since games generally performed/looked better on that platform. I'd expect, at minimum, a similar difference with XBO/PS4 (potentially MUCH more, though we start getting into political/available resource factors, among other things, that would also influence things). I agree that, especially early on, devs might try to keep the 2 versions as similar as possible (that might still mean some significant differences though). I do think that depending on the situation, they might end up trying to max out each console. If Killzone 2016 on PS4 looks an order of magnitude better than Battlefield 2016 on PS4, then EA might end up pushing the PS4 harder to compete (and just getting the XBO one to run at 720p/25 FPS or whatever). Some devs tend to do that anyway (Witcher 3 devs seemed to indicate they would push each console, and there would be some differences due to hardware IIRC), and of course market conditions could push devs to "lead" on one console (e.g., Final Fantasy or FIFA might sell primarily on PS4 anyway, so a backlash won't really hurt overall sales). I think MS will definitely try to push devs to make the games as similar as possible, and given the difficulties of development these days, I can certainly see devs not having the resources to push these systems too hard. But I think a lot of these reasons were there in previous generations too, and we still saw some pretty big differences (despite any "backlash"). Just depends on the game, market, developer, system(s), etc. You are right about the importance of a good art team, and Riddick does look nice. For an Xbox 1 game. It looks pretty dated to me if you try to compare it to 360 games. And I'm just basing that on (low-res) screenshots. Video would probably show bigger differences (especially things that are less obvious in screenshots). Good art + good tech > good art + bad tech. Just imagine how good Riddick would be on PS4/XBO if it was developed with those systems in mind. edit: As an aside, Sony must obviously think these specs will make a difference. Could have stuck with 4GB of GDDR5 and/or a weaker GPU if even 50% more powerful specs would lead to 98% identical games.
This is a pointless argument. Slightly better looking multiplats don't swing most people's purchase decisions. Unique features and exclusives do. And given the recent GameTrailer's countdown of the top exclusives for PS3 and 360...it's pretty clear that Microsoft does not care for quality exclusives.
Yeah, it is pointless, but CONSOLE WARS! and all. I actually like talking tech specs and what we can expect from the platforms, though I acknowledge it has little impact on which console is "better," which will sell better, etc.
I disagree. I couldn't count how many times I've heard people say they'll purchase the 360 version because it runs better than the ps3. It's funny how every advantage the 360 had is mostly gone with the xbone and the ms camp is trying to down play these advantages they were boasting about this gen.
I gotta disagree too...most of my non-gamer friends, who are thinking of getting a next gen console...all they talk about is getting the PS4 because they heard its so much more powerful.
If you are planning on buying one of these systems when it comes out, do you plan on buying another one once they come out with a version that has a bigger HD space? It seems like every time a new system comes out, after a while it's not enough HD space and they put out a version with much more HD space. Look at the size of the original 360 and PS3. Or do you think that the only additional HD space for these systems will come from external storage, or cloud storage?
No reason to buy another console later just for space when you can use an external storage like you just said.
Part of the reason they go with bigger HDD sizes in newer models is that it is usually cheaper to produce. A 80GB HDD might be cheaper than a 60GB (and eventually, maybe a 120GB HDD will be cheaper than a 80GB HDD). They can then leverage the extra space as providing more "value," even when the costs have stayed about the same (or even gone down). As stated, you can just end up replacing/adding a new HDD with the systems, so no reason to buy another console.
All this talk about specs won't matter. 95% of people who buy the systems have no real clue what these tech terms mean. There is unlikely to be any visible difference in performance. Now the word is the PS4 is easier to develop for, if that is the case that could be a difference maker long term. Ultimately games and features will make the difference. Fact of the matter is that Playstation has an extremely dedicated fan base, some would say douchey, and will be much less likely to convert barring disaster. Between the pre release controversy and the extremely frequent RROD problems, I think X Box is still gonna be playing catchup, despite running neck and neck with playstation this generation.
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Since I updated the PS4 thread for TGS games, figured I might provide some small updates here too. I didn't see much video, but apparently D4 is really nice (and uses the Kinect well): http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/20/4751484/d4-xbox-one-kinect-tokyo-game-show-preview Crimson Dragon screens/trailer: http://www.gamersyde.com/news_tgs_crimson_dragon_images_and_trailer-14642_en.html Clearly a 360 game ported to next-gen, but still like the overall look of it (and the Panzer Dragoon connection). MS is smartly pricing this at $20. Killer Instinct Sadira vid: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/NPBdYJcu1Yg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Orchid tease at the end. I posted these in the PS4 thread, but here are some MGS5 videos (demoed on PS4, but should be similar for XBO of course): <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/tl4tC4K5n0w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Pe7U3IJZ4B4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Gamersyde (see earlier link) has some videos from the show floor for other games. Obviously MS didn't have a huge presence at this show, but there were some multiplatform games to see. I think there were some articles/interviews detailing some minor things about XBO, but nothing major IIRC.
Pretty much my #1 reason for wanting an Xbox One. Though it's certainly not going to single-handedly persuade me to buy the system early. To anyone who has a 360 but doesn't have Panzer Dragoon Orta: YOU ARE MISSING OUT!
when i hear ps users brag about the superior power of the ps4 over the one, i think about the same arguments made years ago about the cell processor and how vastly superior it was to 360..
The Cell processor was vastly superior to Xenon. Unfortunately for PS3, Xenos was vastly superior to RSX, and the 360's RAM setup was vastly superior as well (not to mention the tools were much better). Cell has helped some PS3 games stand out this generation, but very few developers can afford to take the effort to get that output from the PS3 (and rightfully so given its complexities). There are much different arguments being used with PS4. The only similarities is that the conclusion is saying more or less the same thing. Looking at the specs makes that pretty clear. FWIW, I don't recall having nearly as good of a detailed spec list at this point with 360/PS3, which probably doesn't help. Nvidia/Sony were pretty vague with RSX, and Nvidia/Sony put out some PR numbers to make RSX sound great. Yet despite being released much later than Xenos, it was, at best, only on par with it...and that might even be before the last minute downclock to the part. I'm guessing most assumed Cell >> Xenon, RSX > Xenos, etc., but that's not what ended up happening. Certainly similiar misconceptions could happen again this time, but it seems doubtful given how detailed the tech breakdowns have been for the machines...especially since the components are provided by the same company, so it is more of an apples to apples comparison.
Well...we have a "XBO" MGS5 video too now: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/mpk_-fIH5zY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> It is pretty much the same as the "PS4" one (guessing it is the same PC), though might be some new gameplay in there (I just skimmed through parts of it).
