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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by ItsMyFault, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. JunkyardDwg

    JunkyardDwg Member

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    That doesn't seem entirely accurate. That middle panel, aren't both systems dependent on whether or not the publisher allows you to sell your games back? XBone just goes beyond that and takes the issue into its own hands, allowing it only at authorized retailers. But PS4 is certainly not immune to DRM.
     
  2. khanhdum

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    nope PS4 you can resell your games back no problem. Some games might have an online pass like some of the EA games that might require the new owner to buy an online pass to play.
     
  3. juicystream

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    I didn't realize that about my Wii. On the plus side, my Nintendo consoles have never failed.

    In theory, a downloadable game is better than a physical because you can re-download it, should it become broken, and can't be lost or stolen.

    They need to allow backups of games, whether physical harddrives or cloud storage so you can keep them forever.
     
  4. RC Cola

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    PS4 devs could...somehow...prevent resale, but they'd have to do a lot of work, and it really wouldn't be worth it. EA has already admitted that the online pass system cost more money than it made, so I doubt many publishers would do something that extreme. If they actually wanted to, they'd already be doing it.


    Backups of games are tricky. Offline backups have to be done in such a way that you can't just give your friend your backup. Usually means some sort of online authentication (maybe just a one-time check though, not every 24hrs, so a more realistic way of keeping servers up IMO). If they make this too easy/usable, there could be concern of people reverse engineering the DRM that is part of these files (these guys tend to be fans of the "black box" model of security). Piracy is a bigger concern to some of these publishers than used game sales (though I think both are somewhat overblown).

    You solve some of those security concerns by putting in online checks or cloud processing, but then you lose the ability to play these completely offline (and without needing to "check in" somewhere).
     
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  5. faraza84

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    Ya the last thing id want is getting kicked off for trying to play the same game as another user. That would blow. Could make it an issue if you split the game with your friends or family. Multiple ppl playing off of one copy could screw them over badly but if its just one main user and 1 of the 10 family members it wouldnt be too bad for them. The more realistic thing would be not being able to play online with the main owner if he's online.
     
  6. cheke64

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    As much as I hate what they did, they still had to weed out the online ratchets which is good thing.
     
  7. JunkyardDwg

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    Yeah right now. But Sony said itself they are leaving the decision up to the publishers. So even though right now the most you may have to pay is a fee to access the online content, nothing is stopping publishers from restricting content even more. To say that you have to check with publishers when buying XBone games and not PS4 games seems a little misleading, because we already know that you will have to sell your XBone games back at specific places (don't need to check with the publishers about that). And while you don't have to worry about that with PS4 games, down the road who knows.
     
  8. JunkyardDwg

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    Could Sony update their console at some point to restrict reselling of games or would that be difficult to do as well?
     
  9. cdain3

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    I don't see why anyone would support this company when they choose to alienate our troops.
     
  10. Xsatyr

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    Not every product should be designed with troops in mind. Get over it.
     
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    Maybe you don't deserve the sweet nectar of freedom and democracy they are protecting.
     
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    Not sure what that has to do with anything, but okay.
     
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    Yep, heard about this. Seems pretty harsh but I think steam does something similar.

    It's why I think the whole digital everything is kind of not so much the future until people are 100% sure that their collections are theirs. Yeah you have e-books...but people still buy books.

    Yeah you have digital movies but people still buy discs. They want that collection feel that digital copy does not give and apparently...can all go away if the service goes down or the company decides it's not yours anymore.
     
  15. chow_yun_fat

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    People have been talking about DD taking over physical media on consoles since 2006 and it still hasn't happened. The DD market has grown, but not at the pace many here would have you believe. I don't think DD will ever take the majority of sales over retail for console games. I wouldn't like waiting hours up to days to download a 20-50gb game and I like having the ability to sell/trade in my game.
     
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    What MS is essentially doing is offering their own version of Steam, but Steam is free, and the X Box One cost 500 dollars.
     
  17. Xsatyr

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    Steam is free but you still need a platform to play it on which is not free.
     
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    What josephnicks said is very true, idk if it has been mentioned in here yet but isnt that very convenient to not have discs anymore and an all downloadable system since you cannot share. but wwhat would happen if the system crashed? Would you lose those files?
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    No if your system crashed I think the games would be tied to your account, so you'd just have to download them again. But if something were to happen to that acocunt...it being banned or hacked or compromised in some way who knows.

    That's the cons to this whole supposed 'digital' revolution phase. The copy is yours until the company decides it isn't any more or decided it needs to save on space and move on. It's not all peaches and cream as some make it out to be IMO and that's why it's never bad to have that option.
     
  20. RC Cola

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    They could do that if they really wanted I guess.

    It would be difficult to roll out since you couldn't guarantee every PS4 would receive the update. PS4s aren't required to be online, so undoubtedly some would not be updated (especially as gamers learn what the firmware update does). Could possibly reverse engineer the update and create custom firmware that allows for new features while block the DRM stuff that Sony puts in. Given all that, not sure it would really be worth the backlash to implement.


    These are all possible, but given that it wasn't attempted on PS3 (or other consoles), I'm not really sure they (publishers and/or Sony) will bother to change much. Would have done so already if it was a big deal IMO.
     

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