Keon Clark is really good, he played alot like Chris Bosh in some ways. Keon was really skinny Power Forward but really talented Midrange and Postgame.
I don't know if we need a culture change from Harden or Tillman or whoever but sure, let's get a culture change.
Austin Rivers is a terrible player who doesn't belong in the NBA. He'll say whatever he needs to in order to get a contract. Terrible shooting aside, can the guy even drive left?
There was only one playoff "flameout" and that was SA series. Nobody other than GS has had a better playoff record than us in the west and no matter how you try and poo poo it, that means success. Great JR Rider blast.
I wouldn’t label it as success unless there was a ring attached. I would call it competitive or at least relevant. But that could be semantics or matter of opinion.
Culture change is a real thing. Culture in organisations and lockerooms is a real thing. For example the Wizards and the Blazers had horrible culture where players even brought guns into lockerooms. Then they had a culture change and you don't hear anymore of the Jailblazers. The Miami Heat have a great culture where everyone who joins them is forced to be disciplined and train hard. Whoever roleplayer doesn't fit is often traded away. When Lebron left the Heat he tried to implement things he learned about the Heat culture to the Cavs who had a horrible culture.
By that criteria there have only been 5 relevant teams in the West over the last 22 years. Spurs, Warriors, Mavs, Lakers, and Thunder (2012). If you eliminate the outlier, the Thunder (2012), only 4 teams have won the West in 22 years. Not all of those teams won titles either (so they weren't successful). Everyone else has been irrelevant.
I don’t know if I would be that black and white but I wouldn’t knock anyone that does think that way.
You don't hear about the Jailblazers anymore and they have not been as good. The Wizards have been worse as well. So what's your point.
guys who practice hard, show up on time, say 'yes sir, no sir' and have good table manners dont necessarily win you rings. some guys just find that type of person easier to root for and identify with and will give them an eternal pass on output due to those 'nice' character traits. Everybody does know Michael Jordan was a prick right? He would beat up his teammates and verbally abuse anyone who didnt do their job in support of him, but he gets a pass too because of the 6 rings. Eye of the beholder situation.
So if you think its that black and white why are the Harden Rockets not a success? Is Barkley not a successful player? Is Karl Malone not a successful player? Is Steve Nash not a successful player? Is Giannis not a successful player?
So you are just gonna throw riddles at me now. Nobody is saying any of that stuff. Are the players I mentioned successful or not? As a civilian what do I have to "win" to be successful? Do you think that only a handful of professional athletes are successful since they don't have rings?
Dude, you need to chill. I answered your question. You aren’t owed anything else. There are levels of success, we think different. That’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, but I’m not fixin to argue with you about it. Lol
You never answered the question of whats the difference, you just said this. Success doesn’t mean you are a great player. Greatness doesn’t guarantee success. That's not explaining what you think the difference is. Especially this gem. Greatness doesn’t guarantee success. Or this There are levels of success You claimed the Rockets have not been successful or it's debateable and I am asking why, you seem to think its about rings and I am asking you does that include players. Why can't you just answer those simple questions? This was never about levels of success it's about being successful period.
And I clearly explained success is not black and white. Some think it’s rings some think it’s being competitive. Those players you mentioned are great players. They aren’t super successful in their sport imo. Individually they were great, but their teams underperformed. I wouldn’t call Horry a great player but I would call him very successful. If you don’t get the difference, that’s fine, but I don’t have to explain it to you just because you want me to.
