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WTF.....Bibby on USA Team....no Francis or Iverson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Icehouse, Feb 18, 2003.

  1. snowmt

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    the problem is, if you can only find the open men
    named Duncan or Shaq, you are not a good PG.

    Face it, Francis is a great player, but far from a
    good PG.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Oh yea, Francis averages more assists also, so he finds the open more than Bibby also.
     
  3. snowmt

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    Kings is a passing team, so assists are almost distributed
    evenly among the players.

    Rox's primary passer is Francis. Can you say his playmaking
    skills are good? Rox is 27th in APG.

    Francis is 6 APG 4.04 ToPG as the primary passer
    Bibby is 5.7 APG 2.65 ToPG as a kings
    Who's the better playmaker?


     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    If Francis is going to have the ball in his hands more, then he is going to have more to's as well,

    A better question is, who has better teamates to pass to, whose teamates are more likely to make a shot if the ball is passed to them. Webber or Griffin, Mobley or Christie, Stojakovic or Posey.
     
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  6. verse

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    the game of basketball is meant to be played with a point guard and a shooting guard, not with 2 shooting guards....



    that is why they take bibby over francis.


    and that is why the rockets struggle with steve at the helm.
     
  7. snowmt

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    You need to trust your teammate. You can't win the
    game all by yourself unless you can average 50 PPG.
    MJ scored a lot in his early years but the Bulls didn't
    win a lot. The turnaround of Bulls came when MJ got
    his teammates more. Can you say Bulls minus MJ is
    more talented than Rox minus Francis?

    Francis is a PG. A 1.5 Assist/TO ratio is inexcusable.
    As you said, he has the ball in his hands all the time
    and gonna have high TO. But he should also have high
    assists. To qualify for an elite "PG", he should have at
    least a 2.1 Assist/TO ratio.



     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    So you are saying the Rockets roster is comparable to the Kings roster?
     
  9. snowmt

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    Bibby was average 8+ assists in Grizzilies. His assist
    goes down to 5.7 in Kings. His teammates in Grizzilies
    were not even close to Rox minus Franics, not mention
    the Kings.


     
  10. snowmt

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    Man, that's not the excuse for Francis' low assist and high TO.
    Check my last post, Bibby had 8+ assist and 3 TO in Grizzilies.
    Now in the passing Kings, he has 5.7 assist and 2.6 TO.


     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Yea, and Bibby's team did so well, just like you are saying Steve may avg more assists now but his team isn't do as well as Bibby's. Maybe because Bibby's team wasn't that good in Vancuver, just like the Rockets aren't as good as the Kings are right now. The Kings won 55 games two years ago, and 61 the next year, it wasn't that great of an improvement when Bibby came along. And before you say they went further in the playoffs, they lost to the Lakers both years.
     
  12. daniel-bfl

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    A new case about Martin's death will be opened pretty soon. It is said that he is strangled to death by someone, who is hired by someone, who listened to his star son in a professional league.























    Jusk kidding.

     
  13. carayip

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    Can you see that it's not about who's the better player (In this case, Francis is clearly a better player than Bibby)? It's about who is the better passer as Team USA is no lack of scorers. Why do you need a scoring PG on your team when you have players like Kobe, T-Mac, KG and Duncan? And everyone can see that Bibby is a better passer than Francis. It's not even worth arguing.
     
  14. Puedlfor

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    Well whoop-te-do.

    Stu Jackson is still picking the team right? You may remember him as the GM of the Grizzlies who drafted Bibby No. 2 over all and who was spurned by Francis after the draft.

    I've never seen such an above average, but not great player make so much out of one playoff series. A big contract, and a spot on the Olympic team?
     
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    Again, Francis doesn't deserve to be in the Olympics.

    What? Do they give away Olympic spots because you can do a fancy dunk, or score the most points on your team?

    That's all Francis has done.

    He has yet to win ONE play-off game, much less lead his team to the 1st round.

    I suggest that Francis stop leading the league in turnovers too.
     
  16. pgabriel

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    The first Dream Team was about the best players, there was exactly two point guards on that team. That's it.

    The Olympics are about the best players, period.
     
  17. pgabriel

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    Totally agree, everyone thinks this guy is a star now because of one playoff series. Its ridiculous, if he was still a Grizzly, this wouldn't even be an issue. At the same time, if the Rockets didn't have Yao Ming, Francis would still be considered.
     
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    Francis doesn't deserve it. He can't help his team if his shot isn't falling and he mainly thrives in ISO/playground style offenses.
     
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    ha ha ha, I can't believe somebody would actually argue Francis is a better passer than Bibby.
     
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    You gotta be kidding me. With KG, TD, TMac possibly Kobe playing how many shots do you think Francis is gonna get? Sure SF gets more points than Bibby, but that's because like 20 shots a game. And he's not nearly the level of Kobe, Vince, TMac where he can take over the game, so why would you have him on the team? Bibby actually has a higher 3% FG% because GET THIS, he takes smarter shots, what a concept huh.

    It's stupid to argue Bibby didn't take the Grizz anywhere cuz nobody can take the Grizz anywhere. Aside from the fact that Francis took the Rox nowhere either. If you're gonna argue Bibby should have more assists cuz he plays on the Kings then you should also argue SF gets more points cuz he's more athletic (not better, athletic). And takes more shots while only getting 5.9 points more a game against somebody who's a known passer instead of a shooter.

    As a Rox fan I probably want SF to be selected, but also as a Rox fan, SF doesn't deserve to be there the way he's playing.
     

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