Most of everything I've posted in this thread is from that site. I find most of those guys are very intelligent and a few of them really know what they're talking about. I am in no way educated enough to know much of anything about demolition, how steel supports can collapse, or much detail regarding previous government wrongdoings. I'm actually shocked I was coming accross that way. I've pointed out in a previous post I get this information from another site.
I don't see how not believing in the mainstream version of all things in life makes one a loon. Still didn't see you answer one of those questions that was presented on his post. I personally think its loony to blindly believe everything the government tells you.
I'll get right on this. What is your response to the videos I posted in posts #106 & 108 regarding your pentagon bomb/missile theory?
I will say that I have heard this question before, and I always thought that video was strange. There's also video of one of the leaseholders or something along those lines stating the decision to demolish 7. Of course, all of that could have been debunked long ago, I don't know.
It was just the only imporatant aspect not mentioned in that article and video you posted. Not sure how that could have been prevented anyway.
i think you are talking about this video - and it all depends on what he meant by 'pull it' - was he talking about pulling the firefighters out of the building or as some have claimed, using the demolition term to take down a building? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TIPx7d88yFk&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TIPx7d88yFk&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
I just went back and rewatched them. The post #106 video I have nothing to really say about the eyewitness accounts. If they indeed saw a plane, then it must've been a plane. On the other hand, these would also be the same "eye witnesses", including a Fox reporter, saying the plane that hit WTC2 was not a commercial airliner. Had no windows, 3 videos from different angles show the SAME flash before the plane hits the building which would rule out a reflection from the sun..... indicating an explosion occured before the plane hit the building, add to the fact that a picture was taken of the belly of the aircraft and it was unlike a normal airliner, having an extra "attatchment" underneath. If the plane that hit WTC2 had a missle, then I have NO doubt that the WTC1 plane, and the pentagon plane had one as well. The security video of the pentagon hurts the story more then it helps it. I can honestly take my $200 camcorder, mount it outside inside a weather resistant box and get better surveillance then one of the most important buildings in the country. It's also conveinent that you never SAW the plane "strike" the building. Now, having said this.... Where is the damage in the building the wings would have made? Why were there no pieces of the wings found? The only pieces of aircraft found at the scene, couldn't be identified as an AA plane. Now, check out this official video released of the crash. This guy slows it down FRAME by FRAME, you see the plane enter the picture, then 20 frames later its STILL there... then the next frame, theres an explosion.... did they leave out the most important part? Hmmm. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mnzh-EyxKwc&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mnzh-EyxKwc&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> I mean even yourself finds this a little odd, right?
He used the word "pull" in an interview when he was talking about getting everyone away from the building and some people took it that he meant pull the building down in a controlled demolition.
Man, you don't have to mention that. if the guy is the author of all these, he won't be preaching these in a basketball fans forum.
Something is off there, in the video in post #108 when they stop the frame you can see the top of the fin of the plane above that brown post.
Ah, that might be what it was. Did you guys find the Bush video that question is referring to also? I remember seeing that one a while back too.
this one? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BUXglJU2w6U&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BUXglJU2w6U&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
The video in my post is from the day it happened. Post #108 could be the real thing, or maybe it was a rendered version? Perhaps mine was? Who knows. According to the guy in my vid, the video he is analyzing is the one from NBC from the day it happened.
Before I bother to answer those questions, he will have to substantiate the "facts" that are assumed in each of the questions. Before I answer why the terrorists were trained by the Pentagon, you must first establish that they were, in fact trained by the Pentagon. Maybe...just maybe his tin foil hat is on a little too tight and the steel plate in his head is 5 degrees off bubble.
I'm not going into extensive debunking of Toy's "questions" as I would recommend JREF for that. But here are some off the top of my head. Isn't this just the fact that well, we trained Al Qaeda in the 80s to kill Commies? This is hardly some top secret thing. How does this validate any theory? If Bin Laden is innocent, why does it matter about what happened to his family? Because governments work exactly as the plans do, promote and fire people logically, and are highly efficient, as our recent discourse on healthcare has soundly proven. Because the fire didn't catch every last inch of the building? I'll bet that's not the only scrap of paper found at Ground Zero. This, I can confirm is BS. A couple reporters in the aftermath got confused over names, and thought they were still alive. Of course, you won't believe as those reporters were just ATTACKED BY THE JOOZ. And my general challenge to the troofers: present your alternate theory completely. Why did the BAD GUYS use a missile for the Pentagon? Why did they even bother with the Flight 93 crap? Long Story short, this Rolling Stones Article pointing out how dumb this crap is
Hey I'm simply responding to what was mentioned in this thread: ================ And if this is at all relevant to the discussion, has this video of the first plane hitting been posted? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ADIxUlFj4mY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ADIxUlFj4mY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Not the first time Bush has said something foolish. He saw the impact damage for sure on TV before he into the room and had heard it was most likely a plane. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eKgPY1adc0A&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eKgPY1adc0A&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Bumped this thread. Saw this video recently where you can hear an explosion that gets noticed by bystanders a few seconds before the first plane crashes into the building. Look closely and you can see the camera actually get "rattled" the same moment the "explosive sound" is made. I don't want to start up a while name-calling-debate but this stuff should be taken seriously! Does this not seem strange to anyone else? Watch after the 6:30 mark. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NLlMXkWW_LM&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NLlMXkWW_LM&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
