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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Except that what you described earlier is Orwellian in nature. You have admitted that your arguments are predictated upon shifting perception. That right there is the essence to 1984 is that you don't need things like facts just to shift people's perception. If anything you are the one accusing others of thought crime.

    True your POV isn't the prevailing POV but that doesn't mean it is free of delusion. That is why I said that such thinking is escapists at best since your argument is one that says to ignore things like facts and the scientific method instead to rely on a creation of reality as you see it.
     
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    Excellent point.

    People often think that a minority opinion is somehow more valid just because it is a minority opinion. You see this argument brought up all the time in things like Global Warming, Evolution and etc...

    There is nothing inherently more truthful about a minority opinion and if anything requires a greater burden of proof as it hasn't been vetted as much.
     
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    Lets not forget too that human population is still increasing not decreasing. If there is a conspiracy to reduce human population it seems to be one crappy conspiracy.
     
  4. Refman

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    Careful...you will start the conspiracy theorists talking about the Bilderberg Group. Once you start that, they'll never stop talking about it.
     
  5. Rashmon

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    I think I noticed coded messages from Brian Williams during the news last night.

    His eye blinking was morse code for: "The message will be carefully shut up!"

    Pretty scary stuff. Look it up here .
     
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    Yes and it was the young that helped Chairman Mao discover enemies of the state because they were eager to buy into conspiracy theories about sinister plots.
     
  7. Red Chocolate

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    If a reduction in fertility rates is not a bad thing, why not volunteer to sterilize yourself? You might even make some money.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...offered-200-to-get-sterilised-86908-22279042/

    A massive drop in male sperm count over this short a period is a massive red flag that we're destroying ourselves.

    Yes, you can control what you eat and increase your sperm count. None of us control the global economy, nukes, and top environmental agencies, although we can do good for the environment by not over-consuming and reducing disposable waste.
    What good reasons? If depopulation is so good, volunteer to kill yourself! China's 'one child policy' will work great when they have a disproportionate number of males and females, and naturally a big war will be created to cull the excess number of males. It might not happen in our lifetime, so I recommend printing out this thread and saving it in a safe place for your children.

    America participates in the depopulation agenda by making it easy to get abortions, and changing the culture to make it so that women prefer a career over having children. Also brainwashing the public to eat mostly garbage food helps lower life span and fertility rates.
     
  8. Red Chocolate

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    What do you want to know about 9/11? My view is it was set up and controlled by powerful men and special ops, can I prove it, not completely.

    What I can do is point out things like the PNAC:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

    Can point out that the 378 page Patriot Act was passed 6 weeks after 9/11 without any of Congress actually reading it.

    The escalation of war in the Middle East without just cause or a declared war against us. 'Harboring terrorists' is not declaring war.

    Then you can go into all the ancient numerology of the date 9/11/2001 and all of the references to a New World Order given by Bush Sr. on 9/11/90 and 9/11/91. Most people aren't even aware of these things though because it's not talked about in the mainstream.

    Human beings are supposed to be good problem solvers and have high levels of awareness. Makes me wonder.
     
  9. Red Chocolate

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    The Bible says, "Let the dead bury the dead". I remember this quote when I see those who don't care about humanity.
     
  10. Red Chocolate

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    Didn't say it was a conspiracy, but rather part of an agenda. The fact that issues like cancer and infertility are not major crises is a telling sign that you are not being given the full truth.
     
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    Who controls the science? Why are the majority opinion scientists paid so much better than the minority opinion ones? Why do I see scientists and doctors getting fired or losing grants shortly after speaking out against vaccines?

    These are more important than any 'facts' you see, because the scientific method can be manipulated with enough money and power.
     
  12. Red Chocolate

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    Minority opinions are important because they are independent thoughts. Unless you agree that EVERYTHING the government and media tells you is true, you should be worried.

    Because if even 10% of what I speculate could be true is, we are all in big trouble. I'm not suggesting panicking, just advocating keeping your eyes open and not lambasting everyone who comes to you with an independent thought.
     
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    Point out where I said that I think anyone should sterilize themselves.

    Well-educated, privileged people (like most US citizens) can have an impact on a wide range of important issues that are more relevant to our quality of life and survival than reduced sperm count.




    Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society:

    "Take first the question of food and population. At present the populaiton of the globe is increasing at the rate of about twenty millions a year. Most of this increase is in Russia and South-East Asia. The population of Western Europe and the United States is nearly stationary. Meanwhile, the food supply of the world as a whole threatens to diminish, as a result of unwise methods of cultivation and destruction of forests. This is an explosive situation. Left to itself, it must lead to a food shortage and thence to a world war. Technique, however, makes other issues possible.

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    The danger of world shortage of food may be averted for a time by improvements in the technique of agriculture. But, if population continues to increase at the present rate, such improvements cannot long suffice. There will then be two groups, one poor with an increasing population, the other rich with a stationary population. Such a situation can hardly fail to lead to world war. If there is not to be an endless succession of wars, population will have to become stationary throughout the world, and this will probably have to be done, in many countries, as a result of governmental measures. This will require an extension of scientific techniques into very intimate matters. ..."
     
  14. Red Chocolate

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    Quoting this again because if I had read this 10 years ago, I would have said, "nice post". Now I read it and can decode it, so I read it like this with my own comments:

    "People often think that a minority opinion is somehow more valid just because it is a minority opinion."

    Seriously? Who thinks this? Most people follow the herd mentality and agree with whatever is most popular. This is so obvious just from daily activities.

    "You see this argument brought up all the time in things like Global Warming, Evolution and etc..."

    "All the time?" People who go on the mainstream media and speak out against it are called kooks. Scientists who go against it often lose their jobs. Al Gore makes tons of money off it, do people really think that others will not tell grand lies to make immeasurable wealth?

    "There is nothing inherently more truthful about a minority opinion and if anything requires a greater burden of proof as it hasn't been vetted as much.

    So if something gets repeated over and over it now has more credibility? Goebbels discussed this tactic, it is called "The Big Lie". Big Lies make Big Money, therefore if 80-90% of the public agree on something, they're often wrong. Note I did not say 100%.
     
  15. Red Chocolate

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    If massively lowered sperm count is not a big deal, then why would you have an issue with people sterilizing themselves? It appears that's where this society is being directed, and is not by coincidence, if you read the plans that were written many decades ago and know how to decode their information, which is of paramount importance.

    "Well-educated" Americans? Lol, if someone 'like me' had been born in the early part of the 1900s, I would have been in the majority, not the minority. America has been heavily dumbed down by government education, scientific indoctrination, scientific and economic 'experts', and propaganda. Furthermore, what could be more important to 'quality of life and survival' than being able to reproduce? W o w.


    'Lord' BR (first of all, you do not become a lord unless you're doing some important stuff for the elite) was a top eugenicist and this quote shows it if you can decode it.

    He's showing the agenda, and how governments will be used to depopulate the world (for the elite's gain). This has been done through weaponizing food, water, medicine, air, vaccines, and massive culture change, which is instituted by design. Got to remember that in order to be in that multi-billionaire/trillionaire category you have to be willing to do some psychopathic things.

    Another big way they get you is to convince you that human beings are on the top of the food chain, and that predators do not exist. The predators are the ones that feed off the lower castes, and they are highly intelligent.
     
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    I don't have any issue with people willfully sterilizing themselves. And in countries where overpopulation is a big problem (and if you don't know know why it would be a problem, you're just plain ignorant), government measures to restrict the number of children may be warranted.

    None of that implies that I support forced sterilization.

    Starving to death? Not having access to necessary health care? WMD? These are more pressing matters.

    And I'd like to see some numbers to back up what you're suggesting. What is the rate of increase in male infertility due to lowered sperm count? I'd ask you to cite a scientific study, but I guess since we're casting science as "indoctrination" now that won't suit you.


    Preventing catastrophic foot shortage is an "elite" agenda and not a humanitarian one?



    And why tell people to read turn off the propaganda and read Bertrand Russell is he's just an another elite propagandist? That doesn't make much sense, I'd say.
     
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    <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q_OIXfkXEj0&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q_OIXfkXEj0&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
     
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    And none of this dispels the simpler, more obvious explanation that the attack was organized by terrorist elements outside the US. And there is far, far more evidence for that.

    Your null hypothesis is the problem. You start by disbelieving the conventional story because it serves elite interests. But just because something serves the interests of elites, that doesn't make it untrue.

    Rational people, on the other hand, will start out by doubting that a massive cover-up on an unheard of scale took place. An extraordinary amount of evidence needs to point in that direction before one should believe it. And what you have offered doesn't even come close to meeting that burden of proof.
     
  19. Red Chocolate

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    I'm playing the game of 'think for myself' here. All the links and scientific evidence in the world won't be of much use if you're unable to decode what they mean. Everything I write here will mean nothing to people unless they delve down that rabbit hole with an open mind and know what to really look for, which has nothing to do with 'conspiracy theories'.

    Back to the topic, the elites control the food supply and can turn the power switch on or off as they see fit. Look at what happened in USSR and China under totalitarian regimes.

    People only starve to death in a controlled system where agriculture is monopolized, which it mostly is in America. In a free market system where people are given land to farm and grow their own food or plants without any permits or taxes, they do not starve. We do not live in that system.

    Before the Great Depression, 97% of the population lived in rural areas, look at where we're at today. A population that is tightly micro-managed and mostly lives in large metropolitan areas.

    As far as health care, it's mostly a scam to begin with, especially now as it's going to be highly regulated by the government (no red flags here?). Modern medicine cures no diseases, and never will, as there's more profit in treating the symptom than curing the individual. It's not that diseases can't be cured, it's just that few people know how to, and few people eat well to begin with.

    You might say "Where's the scientific evidence??" but it's only because you've been programmed to think you want it, you don't need much or any if you're paying attention or know how to recognize a CON or SCAM.

    This is a nation that is headed toward USSR-doom, and the counter-point most often used is, "But, this is America!" and "Why would they do that here?" History repeating itself as it always does. Great empires always fall, and the great empire gets slowly programmed to never see it coming. A fat and happy nation, drunk on entertainment and complacency. It's almost like people would rather put their head in the sand than want to believe, even for just a second.

    As for Bertrand Russell, I read his works and pay close attention to him because the guys at the top always tell you what the plan is many decades in advance, because they count on the public being too stupid or uninformed to A) read their works and B) be able to decode and understand them.

    The highly educated and enlightened can decode works like this and see what the future holds, because the future is 99% predetermined even before you were even born. I read Russell, Quigley, Huxley, and Orwell because they were 'in the know', and knew what society was to come, which is obvious from reading their books. Weird how they just 'see' into the future so well, eh?

    People may say "Orwell was just a sci-fi writer", not knowing that sci-fi is a code used for 'predictive programming', a way to get your mind adjusted for major changes in society. Sci-fi is used to show you what's to come (or what is actually happening) if you simply can open your mind to see it.

    That's why you saw a lot of movies that went into weather change, alien invasions, a robotic future, etc. etc. in the past 40 years. This type of entertainment is being used to reshape society, often without you realizing it.

    These writers were basically warning those who could interpret what they were saying. That and boasting their intelligence to show the enlightened how stupid the public is, to some degree.
     
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    This is the story you were told to believe. You only get told what you're supposed to get told. Basic, basic elements of the decoding and deprogramming process.

    Cover-ups are a lot easier than you think because they are planned decades in advance. Also with the satellite technology and other gadgets that the public has NO CLUE exists, people highly underestimate how simply a job like this could be pulled off without anyone knowing, given the intricate level of planning that goes into it.

    Orwell illustrated in '1984' that self-inflicted attacks against the public with a convenient, far away, unknown enemy set up to take the blame, were the best ways of controlling the public and continuing a war agenda, while stripping the public of more rights. The guy must have been a regular Nostradamus!

    Again, can't prove anything in a court because these guys are just so damn good at what they do. Either you figure it out or you don't.

    9/11 has nothing to do with the actual attack itself, rather things that were written before it and the actions that followed it. All very telling and it has nothing to do with the ineptitude of Bush, he controls nothing but the public just thinks he's a 'moron', all by design and a very good plausible excuse, just blame it on the dumb president.

    It's just a beautiful con with all kinds of complexities that will take years if not lifetimes to understand, and that's why people fall for it over and over. It's like living in a morbid fairy tale.
     

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