wouldn't it be ironic if the texans and rockets end up w/ the 1st pick of the draft..

It was probably some source familiar with Roger Clemens thinking.

 

Another factoid for all you Drayton bashers:

The Astros currently have the 11th largest media market among Major League cities, and as such are referred to as a "medium market". The media market is where you get your revenue. It would follow, then, that the Astros should be 11th in payroll size.

The Astros currently have the 8th largest payroll.

So, Drayton is managing his organization's money so well that they outperform their market size according to payroll size.

But nah, he's a cheapscate.

 

Yeah his choice was easy when the Astros droped out. Do you see where it said the Astros droped out when they learned it was gonna be a 4 year deal.

Well it looked ok without Wagner until we had to give up Dotel for Beltran, I don't know about you but I would have liked to have both Lidge and Wagner in the rotation in those playoffs,

Fat Micelli gave up a walk off to Furcall in game two vs Atlanta if we win that game our pitching is set for the St Louis series.

 

Good job there. You were right on, again. The Braves went on to win...

Wait...

The Braves went on to win NOTHING!

You really should stop now. You're just going to continue to get toasted (even if you don't realize it's happening).

 

Yup, because that has worked out oh so well for Les... He won a championship in his first two years as owner, and its been downhill ever since. And, of course, he took those wins and raised ticket prices to be amongst the highest in the nation, but apparently, he gets a free pass for that.

 

and Les did that all with talent that was already assembled...

 

The Astros have the eight highest payroll because they do something called backloading contracts which has caught up with them this year with the final year for Pettite and Bagwell.

The Astros have a brand new 18 million dollar local tv deal I bet that does not rank 11th. BTW those stats are misleading because all the northeast cities are bunched together.

 

Of course Les had made mistakes but he brought in guys like Barkley and Pippen to win. Yes they backfired but as a fan I like the effort,

Eddie Griffen has turned out to be one of if not the worst deals in Rockets history but at the time it looked like we were making a play at one of the best prospects in years.

 

Yet you refuse to acknowledge the ever-increasing list of FAs the Astros sign, pointing instead to 6 and 8 year old examples with bad facts and trades which you misunderstand?

Classic. You're entitled to your unsupported and illogical opinion.

 

I checked this out--
2005 -- 12
2004 -- 12
2003 -- 14
2002 -- 14
--and it appears to be accurate. Good point.

The amount of TV revenue and the size of the media market are completely unrelated. Additionally, the numbers are not skewed by the proximity of other cities as you suggest. However, this is all moot based on your point above.

 

1. you're gonna have to show me something that supports the notion that Randy wanted to be here. because all i saw over and over again was how he wanted to pitch closer to home.

2. i'd like to have Jim Thome as my backup 2B. i'd like to have omar vizquel as my backup SS. i'd like to have rolen to back up ensberg, or vice versa. but it's not a smart use of resources to do that. NYY don't have a backup closer for rivera. ATL doesn't have a kick-ass back up for Chipper. Wagner wrote his ticket out of town when he criticized the organization from top to bottom at the last game of the 2003 season. He sucked in the playoffs, as well. I have no faith that he would have performed any better than he had in the past...

 

So does that mean you are one of those people who think if something different happens in the past that everything would have happened exactly the same when the event changes?

Do you think the other games would have played out EXACTLY THE SAME if the Astros had won game 2?

We have no way of dealing with speculation. We can deal in facts. The fact is the Astros won the NLDS in 2004 against the Braves. Had ANYTHING happened differently in any one of those games, we have no idea what would have happened.

If the Astros could have gotten more than FOUR hits in 11 innings, it may have never come down to Miceli. Perhaps McLane should have opened up the wallet and traded for a hitter during that year. Oh wait, I forgot about Beltran.

 

i think you're past the statute of limitations on all of these. we traded for pippen in 99...we traded for barkley in 96. you're talking about transactions that occurred 7 years ago.

as for eddie griffin..that's not signing a big name free agent...that's taking a gamble on a draft day trade. not the same thing. particularly not in terms of expense to the franchise.

 

And he wouldn't have been in Philly to serve up game-ending HR's in September.

 

excellent point. he choked there, too.

 

Dude Lidge was our seventh inning guy then we traded Wagner and he became our eight inning/set up guy. Then we traded Dotel and he was the closer. If we never got rid of Billy than he would of been the closer and Lidge would of moved up to the set up roll after the dotel trade.

FYI Thome has never played second.

As far as the unit I will try to find something.

 

typo on Thome...i meant 1B. but you get my point, anyway.

i'm saying bullpen was a position of strength. i'm saying Wagner had a big mouth and talked his way out of town. i'm saying i have zero faith in billy wagner in any important game. i'm saying trading his ass for the guy we have starting tonight turned out pretty well.

 

Pete Monroe would not have started two LCS games

 

Your right because no free agent was as good as T-MAC that's why he pulled off that deal.

Also he rolled the dice on Francis on draft day.

 

Did you get the point of the post to which you replied?? Geez louise. Not only would Pete Munro have not started two LCS games, perhaps *no Astro* would have started LCS games. One change affects everything else subsequent. In other words, the "what if" game is completely fallacious and invalid in terms of proving an argument. Especially a weak one.