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Would you vote horry into the HOF?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by astrosrule, May 14, 2008.

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Is Big Shot Bob a hall of famer?

  1. absolutely, hit big shots, won 7 rings

    33.9%
  2. no way, 0 time all star, averaged 7 and 5 for his career

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  1. astrosrule

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    The only reason i responded originally is cause the guy said horry should be a hall of famer, which is a joke. I'm surprised you wouldnt' take shaq over dream, shaq took an orlando team that was crap to the finals, took a lakers team to 3, and a miami team to a ring. If you're all about winning, your "logic" would say that shaq is above dream. Sadly, you aren't able to ignore your bias and have a reasonable discussion
     
  2. tinman

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    now you are trying to make up stuff.
    I'd take Dream cause he has no weaknesses like Shaq.

    But Dream and Shaq have something in common. they both praise Robert Horry and enjoy passing out of the double/triple team to him cause they know he'll make the big shot.

    They both enjoy Horry's shot blocking abilities giving them extra help down low.
     
  3. astrosrule

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    Shaq has 4 rings with 3 teams to dream's 2, does that make him more of a winner and a greater play then hakeem? I'm sure dream enjoyed Kenny Smith's big 3 in game 1 of the Orlando series, but i don't think he'd put him in the HOF for it, i'm sure shaq enjoyed fisher's miricle shot against the spurs, but i don't think he'd put him in the HOF for it
     
  4. tinman

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    Kenny Smith and Fisher didn't have as many memorable performances as Horry.

    Plus Horry is the #1 player playoff player of all time, and the #1 3 point shooter in nba finals history.

    plus he has 7 championships that he has contributed to.
     
  5. NIKEstrad

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    What 3 teams did Shaq win a ring with? :confused:
     
  6. astrosrule

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    i mean took 3 teams to the finals, won rings with 2
     
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    Reggie Miller is arguably the most clutch player in history not named MJ, yet he never won a ring, why? Because he didnt play with guys like Dream, Shaq, and TD
     
  8. tinman

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    how can you be the most clutch player in history and not win a single championship?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050620
    By Bill Simmons
    Page 2

    Somebody needs to go through Robert Horry's playoff games, pluck out all the big plays and shots, then run them in sequence for like 10 straight minutes with one of those cool sports video songs playing (like Aerosmith's "Dream On," or Led Zeppelin's "The Rain Song"). Who wouldn't enjoy that? I bet Horry has made at least 20 to 25 humongous shots over the years. Seriously.

    Now …

    You might be asking yourself, "Wait, that opening paragraph sounded a little familiar." Well, it should. I wrote it two summers ago.

    Here's the point: Even if Horry had retired in 2003, we would have remembered Big Shot Bob for life. But he saved his defining moment for Sunday night, throwing a rattled Spurs team on his back in Detroit and making … I mean … it would almost demean what happened to write something like "some huge 3-pointers" or "a number of game-saving plays." Considering the situation (a budding Spurs collapse that seemed eerily reminiscent of the 2004 Lakers series), the circumstances (nobody else on his team was stepping up) and the opponent (one of the best defensive teams ever, playing at home), Horry's Game 5 ranks alongside MJ's Game 6 in 1998, Worthy's Game 7 in 1988, Frazier's Game 7 in 1970 and every other clutch Finals performance over the years. If Horry hadn't scored 21 of his team's last 35 points, the Spurs would have been "Dead Man Walking" heading back to San Antonio. Instead, they're probably going to win the title Tuesday night.

    Robert Horry
    Big Shot Bob driving to the hoop is NOT what the Pistons want to see at crunch time.

    (And forget about saving the season; Horry probably altered the course of Tim Duncan's career. If the Spurs had lost that game, they would have eventually blown the series and everyone would have blamed Duncan all summer, mainly because of his epic stink bomb down the stretch that brought back memories of Karl Malone and Elvin Hayes. Now he's just another great player who had an atrocious game at the wrong time. That's the power of Big Shot Bob. And if you think a rejuvenated/relieved/thankful Duncan isn't throwing up a 35-15 Tuesday night, you're crazy.)

    My favorite thing about Sunday night's game: When Horry drained that go-ahead three at the end of the third quarter, it was like sitting at a poker table with a good player who plays possum for an hour, then suddenly pushes a stack of chips into the middle. Uh-oh. He's making his move. You could just see it coming. The rest of the game played out like that – the Spurs always one mistake from blowing the game, Horry bailing them out again and again. By the time he jammed home that astounding lefty dunk in overtime, everyone knew the game would somehow end up in Horry's hands.

    Well, everyone but Rasheed Wallace.

    (That reminds me. We're always too quick to demolish athletes who make dumb plays or screw up at the worst possible times, from Byner's fumble to C-Webb's timeout to poor Bill Buckner … but at the same time, I feel like 'Sheed's brainfart will somehow get swept under the rug in the afterglow of such an electric game. Let the record show that Wallace's decision to leave a scorching-hot Horry to double-team Ginobili was the single dumbest play in the history of the NBA Finals. For sweeping significance and staggering inexplicability, it cannot be topped. I'm telling you.)

    Horry's career has always been a nice litmus test for the question, "Do you understand the game of basketball or not?" Nearly all of his strengths aren't things that casual fans would notice. He's the kind of guy who would be useless on the "And 1" tour. For instance, he's a terrific help defender who constantly covers for his teammates. He's big enough to handle power forwards and quick enough to handle small forwards. He picks his spots and only asserts himself in big situations when his team truly needs him. He doesn't care about stats or touches – at all – which gives him something in common with maybe 2 percent of the league. And he gets better when it matters. What more would you want from a supporting player?

    Robert Horry
    Horry just might be screaming his way into the Hall of Fame.

    Lord knows I've written about him enough times. I once compared him to a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, explaining that "Nobody ever talks about him, but he's always there when you need him, just like the Peebee and Jay." I compared him to Nate Dogg, John Cazale and every other famous person who flew under the radar screen but always ended up in good situations. When someone asked me in a recent mailbag whether I would have Horry's career (multiple rings and rich) or Barkley/Malone's careers (no rings and obscenely rich), I opted for Horry's career (and didn't even think twice). Imagine playing on five (soon to be six) championship teams, ending up with a cool nickname, making $50 million, earning the everlasting respect of everyone who ever played with or against you … and you didn't have to deal with any of the superstar BS? Have a great game, everyone notices you. Have a terrible game, nobody notices you. And that's your life. Doesn't that sound like the ultimate gig?

    In a league loaded with guys who believe they're better than they actually are, Horry understands his own strengths and limitations better than anyone. That's what makes him so great. And that's why I like the poker analogy for him. He's the guy sitting at the table with a towering stack of chips, the guy who never chases a bad hand, the guy who makes your heart pound when he's staring you down. You never remember the hands he lost, but you always remember the ones he won. And when he finally cashes out and gets up from the table, you hope you never have to see him again.

    Does that make him a Hall of Famer some day? Before this spring, I would have said no … and then Steve Nash won the MVP. Now I'm prepared for anything. But you know where I stand. Instead of making Horry's case in full, I'm telling you a story that hasn't even happened yet. Maybe it will be this summer, maybe next summer, maybe 15 years from now. But when ESPN Classic shows Game 5 of the 2005 Finals some day and I'm calling my buddy House just to tell him, "Turn on Classic, they're showing the Robert Horry Game," I can pretty much guarantee his response:

    "Which one?"

    Bill Simmons is a columnist for Page 2 and ESPN The Magazine. His Sports Guy's World site is updated every day Monday through Friday.
     
  9. astrosrule

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    You don't consider reggie miller a clutch player? i can tell you exactly how he never won a ring. The best players on his teams were rick smits, mark jackson, ron artest, guys like that. I don't see how you can not take circumstances into account at all, as if it doesnt matter who Horry had played with he'd still have 7 rings
     
  10. tinman

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    Yeah Reggie Miller is clutch, except for that time he faced Horry.

    Yeah remember that? Big Shot Rob did it the Pacers too.
     
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    ya cause Miller had the better team and just blew against the Horry lead lakers
     
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    If there were a HoF for coattail riding with just enough springtime show-up to assist his teams.

    HoF'ers actually play HoF basketball. Forget Chuckles or Will Smith: Calvin or Horry? (Ooo, an unfortunate link.)
     
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    Most of the Hall of Famers from the 60's Celtics were coat tail riders.
     
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    He'll get in when Satch Sanders gets in.
     
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    I definitely wouldn't. I don't think he meets the qualifications of a Hall of Famer, even though it is undeniable he's done a lot to gain all his championships and he does deserve them.

    He'll be in history anyway, so it's all good.
     
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    Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the fact that Horry's awful shooting shot the Lakers and then the Spurs out of the playoffs in 2003 and 2004?

    He may have hit his fair share of clutch, one-off shots; but when he was actually counted on as a rotation player in his post-Houston years, he hurt his teams.

    31.9 percent shooting, .5 percent three-point shooting, 55 percent FT shooting, all while playing 31 minutes per game for the Lakers in 2003.

    2-12 three-point shooting (1-9 in the four losses) with the Spurs against the Lakers in 2004.
     
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    He contributed to the Spurs championship last year? Dude shot 3-9 in the Finals.
     
  18. Kim

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    But those 3 shots were the biggest momentum shifters evar!
     
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    I think they should. Looking through the list they have players there that don't even have NBA credentials. Some have highly touted college careers and olympic careers BEFORE the nba players took over so I'd say they could allow Robert Horry into the HOF as a player.
     
  20. tinman

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    he's still $50 better than SAR! ;)
     

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