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Would you vote for an Indonesian Citizen for President of the USA?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Aug 11, 2008.

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Would you vote for a Presidential Candidate who was/is a citizen of Indonesia?

  1. Yes: The divided loyalties do not concern me

    74.8%
  2. No: It's unconstitutional and unpatriotic

    25.2%
  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Sizzle Chest, don't lecture me on campaigning when your candidate of choice has built an entire campaign on running against a man who is not even on the ballot -- Bush. Give me a break, your argument stinks of hypocrisy.
     
  2. Two Sandwiches

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    Have you seen this commercial?


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  3. Mulder

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    Is Andrew Dice Clay helping you with your "special project"?
     
  4. Old Man Rock

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    I'll tell you what Andy Martin says he is hiding. Andy Martin says, “Barack Obama, Junior, the presidential candidate is really the son of Obama’s controversial mentor Frank Marshall Davis.” He goes on to say, “Mendacious adults ‘switched’ Obama at birth and that would be proven in an original certificate of live birth. And it is for that reason alone that Barack Obama has refused to allow access to the original or ‘vault’ birth certificate,” Martin told a Honolulu news conference. “We believe the original certificate did not list a father. Barack Obama became the father as a result of an agreement between Ann Dunham, Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama, Sr.”

    “Davis was already married to a White Woman. He did not need a nonmarital child by a second one. Ann probably refused to have what was then called a ‘back alley’ abortion. Davis may have felt that ‘Obama’ would face less stigma with an ‘African’ background than a Negro one.” He goes on to say, “Obama has probably suspended his campaign and is flying to Honolulu because he is deathly afraid his grandmother may make a ‘dying declaration’ and blow the whistle on his family fraud. Dying people often blurt out the truth to clear there conscious. And the risk to Obama was to big to chance it.”

    I acknowledge this is a lot of speculation on Martin’s part but now that his toot is doing fine as proclaimed by Michelle Obama as "the miracle by the ONE" (joke) of her husband's grandmother, whom they affectionately call "Toot," (for the record I did pray for her so maybe that did it) and when you consider Obama’s history... The fact Obama’s very own mother was on her deathbed and when it was more than apparent she would not last Obama made no attempt to visit her. As for his Grandmother she has been ill for a while and just this summer he took his whole family for a week vacation in Hawaii but could only manage a 1 hour visit alone with his toot. Not even bringing his wife or children along.

    Now he says his toot is on her deathbed and it is the last chance his children will have to meet her and again he goes alone. If anyone has someone who has been near and dear to them as Obama claims his toot has been then it only stands to reason you would want your new family to meet them. But that is not the case with Barack. In Obama’s book he talks about the deal he made with his grandparents that he could use their home for a place to live without having much to do with them as long as he kept his radicalness out of the home. Doesn’t sound like a close relationship. And on Friday his wife proclaims the miracle resuscitation of Barack’s Grandma they affectionately call "Toot," (although don’t affectionately want to visit). Toot is doing fine.

    I don’t even want to comment on the degree of dysfunctionality this brings up but suffice it to say the spin masters at camp Obama said he had to go now because after he wins the election Obama would be too busy measuring the drapes and picking out furniture to visit her then. And of course as I said earlier after Obama leaves hawaii and suddenly Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal, and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. And the only person who can request a seal is the the Guardians listed on the BC or the person on the birth certificate. I fine this highly suspicious especially since John McCain is not disputing Obama’s citizenship.

    The top photo is a picture of Barack, his mom and Frank marshall Davis on the right. Below that is a picture of Barack again hi Mom and Barack Hussein Obama sr and barrack Obama Jr. This picture is only circumstantial which is why a COLB is needed.

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    If Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s father why would Barack want to hide? It might be because of the 600 page file the FBI has on him and the fact that Frank was an active member in the Communist Party USA or that Frank Marshall Davis wrote the infamous sex/p*rn book “Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet) in which Frank details his discusses sex with a 14 year old.

    There is also the nude pictures of Barack Obama’s mother possibly in Frank davis home that I will not show here out of a sense of decency. But would advise with caution to research it if you feel the need to validate the story. But no one in mainstream media will touch this stuff because there is no hard evidence. Something an original certificate of live birth would provide.
     
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  5. Oski2005

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    Yeah, I'm not gonna go on the wild speculation of an unhinged anti-semite like Andy Martin.
     
  6. Old Man Rock

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    Wow you are the perfect campaign aide for Obama. Smear the messenger and disregard anything else that might have merit. Look at the picture and tell me who is more likely the father. Of course that is not proof but the original Birth certificate would go along way to disproving that. Be honest in your mind you must wonder a little why Obama prefers to use the court to hide his records than release them and dispell all that. And it's not just his BC, what about his columbia and harvard records, his medical records. Even in his book when he made the audio recording he cut out the parts about Frank. He won't mention the guy by name and this only promotes more speculation. Don't you just want to slap him and say come on Barack baby just show us the damn documents and shutup all these ****ing a-holes.
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Yes, there are a number of documents that would nullify this line of attack.... why won't Barack Hussein Obama II release them? Is his name really Barry Soetoro? Did he become a citizen of Indonesia after his step father, Lolo Soetoro, adopted him?

    Interesting questions, friends


    HO HO HO
     
  8. Oski2005

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    First of all, I would never say "come on Barack baby..." that's not how I talk...um....you "jive turkey." 2nd, why is it ok to question Barack based on people he knows and not okay for me to point out that the guy "speculating" all this crap is an anti-semite who wanted to "exterminate jew power?" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    BTW, that thing I posted is called a LINK.
     
  9. Two Sandwiches

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    So, when you say he's a citizen of Indonesia, do you think that, as president, he will allow our country to be annexed by Indonesia?

    Do you think that he'll suddenly try and adopt all laws and regulations of Indonesia?

    Do you think that the United States would let this happen? Do you think that we are being fooled by a terrorist? I don't understand. You come up with a new "bombshell" every day, but you remain rhetorical and cryptic with whatever "bombshell" you supposedly have. You hoard around like all these issues matter to anyone but you or others that are clueless and desperate...


    This whole thing reminds me, from what I've read, of the reactions people had to JFK....
     
  10. Old Man Rock

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    Here is the thing TJ if his father is really Frank Marshall Davis that that trumps his stepdads adoption. His father was always a citizen and no matter even if he was born in Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia if his real father and mother were always U.S. citizens than that supercedes Lolo Soetoro's adoption. So that is why the only thing that makes sense is that Obama's real father is not Barack Obama Sr. But instead his real father is a US citizen and quite possibly Davis. Which would explain why Obama wants to keep this most important secret sealed. It would be the October surprise for sure. But it looks like it will not happen.

    Personally I could care less who his father was. As long as it wasn't who he was. But after reading some of Frank Davis ideology on how he too believed infiltrating the communist ideas as a community organizer and indoctrinating the youth it just sounds too close to Obama's plan. And to know that this was the most influential man in his life from 10 to 18 and how he easily connected to people in chicago and new york all of which seemed to have at least eclectis ideas if not radical. Look at his least of his early friends. He says they were just friends in the neighborhood but they also seem to be the only friends he had and maybe he should have moved to another neighborhood.
     
  11. Oski2005

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  12. Old Man Rock

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    Again you are the perfect aiide for Obama. Ignore the question and post your own story. There is no link because most of that is my thoughts accumalated from surfing and the only parts that were eact quotes were put in parentheisis. If you want the link look it up for yourself. Also the link NYTis a much worse source than Andy martin. He is giving an investigative report and NYT is in bed with Barack.

    I will ask you again don't you just want to ask senator Obama to just show the documents and put thiese rumrs to rest.
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Man... today's additions to this thread are both hilarious and sad at the same time.

    TJ and OMR reek of desperation and I could not tell you when such a boatload of scientific illiteracy was on display as in OMR's picture post.

    Obama doesn't look like his dad because he looks like his grandfather...

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    And by the way, thanks to both of you for making this worse than a Freeper thread...

    http://freerepublic.info/focus/f-bloggers/2104286/posts

    Still, I understand how some people believe they all look alike. Or is that chinese? I do have such trouble keeping up with bigot flavor of the month.
     
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    Oh, and OMR... you really need to link to the content of your posts.
     
  15. Old Man Rock

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    What hospital? His sister names one and he names another. Who is lying? Oh and by the way Factcheck is run by Annenburg who we know Obama was on the board. Remember that is the board that Ayers and Obama created to help the children of Chicago. Only when they said children we didn't understand it was the "Children Of the Acorn!" 150 million dollars that was supposed to benefit the deprived children of chicago and went to Rev Wright, Father Flagler, Acorn and a host of community organizers. Even Annenburg Chicago's very own evaluators said that the children who were supposed to benefit from that money showed no improvement in test scores whatsoever. Of course they wouldn't because in the words of Ayers, he wanted teachers trained to instruct against “oppression” and to push school children towards his political beliefs and not reading and writing.

    As for that cute little newspaper clip, for the record that was printed on August 13, 1961, 9 days after Obama's birth. Plenty of time to get back from Kenya and submit it to the hospitals. And it still doesn't explain why Obama had his birth certificate sealed this past week in Hawaii. Release it I say to Mr. Obama and be rid of this annoyance. Don't you agree.
     
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    No desperation I am pretty convinced Obama is going to win. Not much I can do about that except vent a little on here. At least he won't win texas were I am registered. I can't believe I miss Jesse Jackson Sr. I would vote for him over Barack!
     
  17. Old Man Rock

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    I don't need to **** for you.
     
  18. thadeus

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    It's kind of accepted practice that if you use a source that you cite that source, you know, just in case a terribly slanted and unreliable piece of journalism is the basis for the argument.

    I believe I found your source, and it doesn't look biased or unreliable at all!

    http://www.dittowire.com/beyond_the...-obama-is-really-frank-marshall-davis-jr.html

    it's from a section entitled:
    "Beyond The Headlines
    reading between the liberal lines"
     
  19. Old Man Rock

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    Thanks Thadeus. Point taken. I know it may sound false but when I am surfing I will copy stuff I want reread and paste it into word doc. Also sometimes I just get lazy.
     
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    Your a typical example of a person who needs to lean about the world and other cultures...If u look at obama you will see that does have kenyan features mixed with wite.Look at the picture you just posted and you can see how they angled the shots, so it would make their case seem legitimate.Do you ever search for negative articles about John McCain? you act as if this is your first presidential campagin your watching, because yiu should know republican have been doing this kind of crap for awhole now.
     

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