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Would you vote for an Indonesian Citizen for President of the USA?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Aug 11, 2008.

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Would you vote for a Presidential Candidate who was/is a citizen of Indonesia?

  1. Yes: The divided loyalties do not concern me

    74.8%
  2. No: It's unconstitutional and unpatriotic

    25.2%
  1. giddyup

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    There are those who are not satisfied by the proof. It would be a simple gesture to provide the certificate and end the speculation. Why not do that? Stubbornness?
     
  2. mc mark

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    Their problem, not Obama's
     
  3. giddyup

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    Guilty people try that line all the time. Why be coy?
     
  4. AntiSonic

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    This reminds me of the Kerry campaign hiding his college records.

    Though I don't see how a person could apply for the highest office in the land without going through an extremely thorough background check. If the certificate was indeed fake, how could he possibly slip through the cracks?
     
  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    giddy, there are those that will never be satisfied by Obama as a candidate. That much is clear to most of us. So which tin-hat conspiracy should he and the campaign spend time on? He's offering a specific plan for leading the nation, and most people prefer his energies to be spent in that effort. I don't know what else to tell you.

    I suppose, at a fundamental level, I do not understand the fear. Can you explain it? Is this "he is really a muslin!" line of fear? That he will give the US to Indonesia? Are you not convinced he wants to lead America back to its proper place in the world? And if not, what do you fear he wants to do? Is he a sneaky brilliant force who wants to lead America to its demise? The country that gave him every opportunity to succeed? It just doesn't make any sense. Nobody has explained the line of reasoning to me.

    It seems much more legit to hand-wring about "he may be too liberal for our own good" and argue about his stances on policy and tendency. Or I think it would give "your" side more of an opportunity to actually sway people.

    This "he's not an American!" thing sounds like a "Bush knew about 9-11 and let it happen!" type of thing. Just not credible for most people.
     
  6. wreck

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    NO! I wasnt born in the US and even I think that is a terrible idea not just indonesia, for any person that has been a citizen of any other country. theres just all those ties.

    id probably try to make mexico the 51st state just so that my relatives in mexico could all be u.s. citizens. :D
     
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Again, you are taking one very questionable source (the whacky anti-semite) and accepting this "sealed certificate" story as a fact. The rest of us do not accept that. Does this make sense?

    As per my Bush/9-11 analogy, I could say: "how can you explain that Bush had lunch with the terrorists on 9-09! why won't he release transcripts of that lunch, to say nothing of what he had for dessert!?" You would laugh at me (I hope).
     
  8. MadMax

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    I'd vote for an Indonesian.

    But I'll be damned before I vote for some Jesuit-lovi' hippie-ass professor from SF. I bet a guy like that keeps his records sealed, too. Why won't he release his shot records??
     
  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Agreed -- the same records that showed that he made lower grades than Bush.

    Look, if BHO had nothing to hide, he wouldn't put us all through this game of semantics, legal defenses, and intimidation tactics. He'd just man up, show the docs, and be done with it. Makes you wonder just how much the guy is really hiding.
     
  10. giddyup

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    Did you go to the link and pull the PDF of the court order? I guess just about anything could be faked, but who from the state of Hawaii has denied the facts?
     
  11. Mulder

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    Kat Von D could tattoo Barack's Birth Certificate to your forehead backwards so you could be reminded daily of your weak attempt to overturn the mandate by the popular vote that is about to wash over you. It still wouldn't be enough to satisfy you.

    Have a Snickers and stop acting like you care what he produces to disprove your crack pot conspiracy theories.
     
  12. giddyup

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    I voted for the b*stard... but I think he could directly address this concern and end all this speculation. Isn't he the one that wants to end the divisiveness. It would seem to be in his power to do that on this issue and his response: I DON'T HAVE TO IF I DON'T WANT TO... that's more than a little lame.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Those who are not satisfied by the proof are not in any position to matter. The authorities have seen and verified his legal documentation.

    They are crack pots. As I said an accepted legal document that has been accepted for years and decades has been used. If people don't like that, they can try and change the laws.
     
  14. Franchise2001

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    What was it about his certificate of live birth that you weren't satisfied with?

    Not enough of this sticks to make Obama waste his time on smears and poo-flinging.

    If you are so concerned about candidate eligibility and the American people getting a fair choice at president, then where is your outcry about the Electronic Voter Machines in multiple states now switching votes from Barack HUSSEIN (capitalized to scare you) to McCain?
     
  15. giddyup

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    Call 'em what you want, but his refusal to step up and resolve this unequivocally looks suspicious.

    This thing is not over even if Obama wins the election because I bet the rubber meets the road when it comes to assuming office in January and less so in being the nominee of your party. I imagine that it is the party's responsibility to make sure of his eligibility, but I don't think it will end there were a mistake to have been made or a deception to have been manipulated.
     
  16. rimrocker

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    The whole thing is absurd.

    There's nothing Obama can do that will satisfy the people pushing this. Nothing. So why even play? If you do, they'll take it as a sign of weakness and dream up other ridiculous scenarios and demand Obama prove them wrong.

    What? Obama really married his mother? Why won't he provide documentation about his marriage to Michelle? If he does not, it must be true that he married his mother, who was a white woman.

    What? Obama's first daughter was fathered by William Ayers, who routinely sleeps with Michelle? Why doesn't Obama provide blood samples from his daughter. There must be something there he's hiding.

    What? Obama had both library fines and parking tickets in college and he got the money to pay them off from NAMBLA? Why won't Obama release his checking account information from the 1980's unless he has something to hide?
     
  17. Old Man Rock

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    Not that is a fair argument. I don't believe it but at least is a good spin that is plausible. I would suggest you email to Obama's camp. He would be wise to use it as I suspect this sealed birth certificate issue will become more apparent to america shortly.
     
  18. Old Man Rock

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    You are absolutely right. One of the reason the Berg lawsuit requesting disclosure of Obama's BC was thrown out of court is there is a chain of command. Once the election is over and they are counting the electoral votes the US legislature has the right to verify the new president elects eligibility. Now if they choose not to do so than the American people have a right to do so in the courts. So I expect it will happen very quickly after the election but I also believe it will futile because Obama is eligible due to the fact his father is Frank Davis.
     
  19. rimrocker

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    Ugh.

    This and more like this will be the kind of crap we'll have to knock down over the next 4 years.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Wrong. The issue is resolved. He has provided all legal documentation needed to be verified that he is a natural born citizen.

    the same folks the verified McCain verified Obama.

    It isn't suspicious that he hasn't released his birth certificate because there is no controversy surrounding his eligibility. He as provided everything he needed to provide. Because some loonies are asking for him to provide more doesn't mean squat. The requirement has been met, and not complying with the demands of a few crackpot conspiracy theorists is not in the slightest bit suspicious.
     

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