Chance to win what? First round and then get swept? There's no point having Harden when there's no chance to make it to the WCF
No, I don't believe you lie in the bed because it just wastes everyone's time. Wastes how every many more years of prime Harden. Wastes the fans time because we know this team isn't getting past the Lakers or Warriors in the coming years. So if you can get a younger star, Giannis is that, I think you do it. Usually when teams blow up that's what they are looking for, younger stars. To get one directly without having to draft? That's a good decision. Also, Bucks are not taking Westbrook for Giannis so it's not possible...I mean, at least I think they won't...you never know sometimes. I'm sure the Rockets will explore trading Westbrook, if they do, I think there will be many teams that bite. BUT my point is if you are blowing up the team and in that blow up you get Giannis long term...you absolutely do it. You can figure out the team around him after you get him.
you wasted everyone's time making the trade in the first place. that's your fault. The time wasted didn't just all of a sudden start harden's prime was wasted from the get go when this season officially started. Nah you don't get a younger star like Giannis bc pairing him with the Westbrick doesn't make you better. And it doesn't fix a thing towards the dumbest mistake made. you're not going forward, you're moving even farther back than it already is Of course the bucks aren't gonna take westbrick. It's wishful thinking on my part for them to do so. he sucks. nobody wants a broken jumpshot, low iq, declining super max player with 3 years left. people are trying to convince themselves theres a number of suitors that will easily line up for westbrick. Nah
Giannis for Westbrook straight up, sure. We don't have any picks. RoCo might be included. Other than that, I'm not sure how else to make a trade. If we trade Harden, I think it would be even worse having Westbrook and Giannis on the court at the same time when neither can shoot.
I think the only way he would want to come to Houston is if he's not that concerned with going to a glamor market and maybe he just doesn't like Milwaukee. Fact is, we have no idea what he's going to do. Players are people and are just as complex as you or I with so many variables that go into a big decision it's hard to say. Some people are saying he doesn't want to go to someone else's team, some people are saying yeah, he'll go to GSW. Maybe he'll be the loyal type and stay in MIL. It's always hard to tell. Most people thought Dwight would re-sign with LAL and Lebron would go to NYK or CHI (to chase Jordan's legacy) and Durant to GSW was completely out of left field for most people. Then lots of us thought Butler would come here...play with CP3/Harden, win a title for his hometown...turned out Butler was sick of his hometown and liked Miami better and wanted his own team. So, I'm not arguing about why Giannis would come to Houston. I'm not him. If he is to get traded he's going to give a list of teams and we'll go from there.
Pat Riley wanted Westbrook... Anyways, it's not about pairing Giannis with Westbrook, it's about getting a 25 year old 2x MVP for years to come to build around. It's not about next year. You're blowing the team up. You're trying to get young talent, none better than Giannis or Luka, you pull the trigger on it. You're not winning next year with Harden or the year after that.
Giannis is an asset because he's way younger than WB. You can just wait out WB's contract. and build around Giannis. Harden will hit his decline soon and he will be worth nothing just like WB. We have no picks, and bunch of negative assets. Only thing we can trade for something positive is Harden
key word wanted. ask him again now, nah not happening especially seeing how his team came together and what they are now. opposite of how that team plays. If you're blowing up the team you get rid of both or basically the entire team then. And btw Giannis isn't as talented as people think
Harden's decline of significance is nowhere near the level of westbricks. He's apparently gonna fall of next year or something. harden is absolutely still going to be a top player in this league through the duration of his contract. Harden has actual basketball skills while the other does not. Looks like a number of people still don't get the difference of what ages well and what doesn't
It could work, but it would be a complete change in how the Rockets play (and how most of the NBA plays currently). It would also mean the others on the court would need to be able to shoot. You don't need 5 shooters, but you do need at least 2, if not three. People who will make the other teams pay for collapsing on the other two. Which was the problem against the Lakers...nobody made them pay for doubling Harden.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/11/3/16602684/giannis-antetokounmpo-loves-milwaukee-stay-with-bucks Admittedly that was 2 or 3 years ago, things could change. I give you a hint doe.....his gal is from Fresno, Cali......Sactown, GSW or the LA teams. Pretty much GSW makes most sense. Miami is a cool city, always on players' radars.
what you don't get is that no matter how good Harden is we ain't winning jack **** with what we have, nor do we have any picks to trade. So therefore we must use him to rebuild. I know you are okay with winning 45-50 games a year finish 4-5 seeds and then lose early in the playoffs for the next 3 years but I am not. Because after that we are left with nothing
So apparently trading for Giannis, you're gonna win. I'm apparently missing that part. The same dude that can't even get out of the east is apparently the guy to lead in the west. The rockets are already left with nothing. That's not new. get used to it.
Giannis has like 8 years left in his prime, actually he probably hasn't hit his prime yet. It's about building another championship team in the future. Harden's Era is done
Giannis is definitely in his prime. He doesn't have basketball skills just like westbrick. Their windows aren't the same as skilled players in the league like Harden. It's easily much shorter You're not building a championship team with Giannis by getting rid of Harden.
Here is another fun one... That one is always funny! I think though it's impossible to tell, it really is. While his GF might want one thing he doesn't have to listen to her. I just think its impossible to tell, he could look at it one way then last minute change his mind.
I bet he'd still take Westbrook honestly depending on what happens. If the Heat lose the next round they'll have to make a move. Also, sure, you get Giannis and can still trade Westbrook, doesn't matter at that point. the point would be gettin Giannis. Also, to your other points. Westbrook and Giannis have basketball skills, it's just not shooting the ball.
I disagree. In no way does he fit that team and culture. nah they don't. their basketball skills are extremely limited and are definitely behind levels that are considered reliable. westbrick's iq suck and has always been low. his ball handling ability is mediocre for a pg. his decision making is poor. terrible attitude. Giannis. year after year. if he can't bulldoze you, he's a non factor period. His best attribute is running hard and having the length to finish. Other than that he doesn't have ball handling to be a one on one player. he doesn't have the vision or foresight to create consistently. his iq is better than westbricks but that's not saying much.
