No, we would be in a better predicament.....one where we have a guy that we rely on that can score 25 a night and get 11 rebounds.... Yao is a better team defender, Bosh is a better player. DD
We would be really desperate for a center If we traded Yao for Bosh. Neither Luis nor Bosh can play the 5 for a championship team.
The best indicator of the future is the past. Yao will breakdown again, it's just the matter of time.
Who said u need a center to win a title? Perkins is in the finals again. The spurs won after robinson left. The pistons had a collective with edwards,lambieer,and salley. The bulls also won without scoring centers. It can be done just as its done with other posititions, with 2 or 3 headed rotation guys. As stated before, if bosh is the horse at 4, then you go get gortat,marc gasol,thabeet, the draft pick like alibi, biedrens, or some cobination like that. If u get 17pts and 11 rebs from the center spot, does it matter if its 1 guy,2,or 3?
Agree with the non-YOFs and non-YOHs. You trade Yao because he's more injury prone. If healthy, Yao all the way.
Pointless question. If Bosh chooses the Rockets, the Raptors would want someone younger than Yao since they'll be rebuilding and the Rockets would rather retain Yao to play with Bosh. If Bosh doesn't choose the Rockets, offering Yao woudln't make a difference.
Well, the thread is just a thought,but why would the raptors rebuild? Lets assume this is possible or bosh and the raptors even consider this an option. By option meaning morey has has talks already and if bosh agrees to come here, the package is yao and hill. Knowing this is the framework of any such deal, the rockets target players mentioned above via trade. Biedrens,gasol,thabeet, gortat, just to name a few. They could have the center already in place prior to july 1st. Back to the toronto angle. Why would toronto do this? Maybe they're banking on yao coming back like the rockets. Toronto is a great city with an international appeal. The team itself is very perimeter oriented and have good talent. Adding yao allows bargiani to move to his natural position of 4. They also have last years top pick in derrozan and this yrs top pick. Yao plays 25mins a night and avg 13ppg and 6 rebs, they probably make the playoffs in the east. Yao holds up, they have a great chance to resign him at 12m per for 4 yrs. In the east, thats a 50 win team plus they have hill. It would make sense for toronto to stay relevant,win 50 games and make the playoffs with yao. The bigger issue is convincing bosh about the rockets.
Are you kidding me??? We don't have any body playing on our team with the likes or MJ Kobe Duncan Manu Parker Rodman Joe D Isiah Thomas Pippen those teams already had top tier players we got bordeline Stars....... An average center with a roster established = great. Rockets don't have that, we got a bunch of good young players and that's it.
Bosh is not that star to put us over if we lose Yao. Neither are #1 options. If this was Yao + draft+ AB for LBJ or Wade.....than yes.
agree. add Bosh to our .500 team and we're close to our current place ... needing another impact player. we're looking to move up, not lateral.
I mentioned this earlier, and repeat that they'd only have to pay Yao for this year. Then, simply let his contract expire or pick him up at smaller price. While, Bosh takes a much longer commitment and could handicap a team salary wise. The biggest criticism about that is Bosh really worth that kind of money for a non-contender team. I think alot of posters say all we need is average center, which is somewhat misleading. The Rockets would need a center who can be average offensively and very good defensively. Their biggest problem from last season was opponent FG% and teams running lay-up drills and easy dunks in the paint. Bosh will not remedy that situation alone. While, Shane is getting long in tooth with Ariza, Hayes, Lowry, and Jefferies really only being the above average defenders on the team. Without a good defensive center or Bosh starting at center, the Rockets are going to still mediocre at defense, a good bit of the time against bigger teams. Even with Yao and Bosh, it's not a given that the Rockets would be enough to beat the Lakers. I still think one of them has to have other-worldly series to beat them. Every thing looks evenly matched on paper, but I still think the team needs another center as an insurance policy, in case Yao does go down again or taken out of game with ticky tac foul calls. Basically, someone to fill Mutombo's old role. Though, I think the bench is getting to the point where they can become the best unit in the league.
You're missing the point as always when talking about Yao. Bosh is the younger better player. I'm not the biggest Bosh fan, but if given the choice, I'm taking Bosh. Do i think bosh is worth the max? No, but to me in my eyes, there is only about 3 or 4 of those guys in the league. Point is bosh is a very,very good offenisive player. He's a better rebounder and better defender in space. He's a more versitile player in general and he's 26 or almost that. You add him as your linchpin on offense. He is a #1 option offensively. His points come different than yao's, but their just as effective and effecient. Defensively, you build with a defensive anchor type at center. Thats what the rockets missed more than anything this year. They had hayes pretending to defend the paint and the rim. They can get a more mobile guy at the 5 and become a better perimeter defensive team minus yao. Gortat,Gasol,thabeet,biendrens are the type of centers who can man the middle and make up for bosh's lack of bulk down low defensively. There have been plenty of center by committee teams that have won the title. The dominant center thought process of winning a ring is just as out of date as the pure pg rhetoric thats is posted on here daily. There have 13 or so 1st team all nba centers to win a title in the last 30 yrs. Thats including Ben Wallace in 04, robinson in 03. If you look at the pure pg's its probably about the same. Its more about having high end players vs traditinalall positions
There are no guarantees. You can't guarantee that Bosh will be healthy for the next 3-5 yrs either. Granted, you can argue that Bosh is more durable than Yao, but you still can't guarantee Bosh would be healthy for 3-5 yrs. B/c of this, I will take Yao's potential for dominating at his position over having Bosh who is not a Kobe or Lebron to carry us without a center. That looks really pretty during the regular season, but doesn't do crap in the playoffs. What we need to do is bring Yao back and limit his minutes, hold him out on the 2nd nite of b2b games, get a good backup 5, and occasionally make up finger injuries and such to hold him out like Shaq. I really believe Yao will come back at 90% of what he was and we will see games/plays here and there where he looks 100% or 110% of what he was. It all depends on how we use him (post up or passer/jump shooter etc), how much and how long we use him and the quality of the backup 5, and the ability of other players who can score taking pressure off of him. I'm not too concerned with the area of his surgery--I'm optimistic that he will respond like Ilgauskas. However, I am still worried about him being fragile in general and being in the wrong place at the wrong time b/c he takes up so much space in the paint--like Tim Thomas rolling onto his knee. If we can mangage his minutes correctly, we can hopefully head into the postseason with a fresh Yao that can go deep into the playoffs. With a little luck, we might have zero injuries to startes and other depth-players and keep the pressure off of Yao to be the savior--that will lead to playoffs/titles more quickly than building around Bosh as you say.
