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Would you trade Yao now?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by laughdog, Mar 29, 2003.

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Would you trade Yao now?

  1. trade him before he turns out to be a bust

    97 vote(s)
    22.9%
  2. wait a minute, he'll prove himself

    326 vote(s)
    77.1%
  1. lancet

    lancet Contributing Member

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    Street ball and individual talents? Yes. Team ball? Hell no! Also, that role player Cuttino thinks he is a star...
     
  2. Jeff

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    Does anyone else think it is not only disrespectful but completely annoying for anyone to post crap like:

    <i>Yao Ming is the ONLY good thing that the Rockets have going for their future and you had better beleive it!!</i>

    <i>There are far too many teams that are better than Rox for the development of Yao.</i>

    <i>right on! trade him to Dallas.</i>

    <i>Trade him right now, I am first a Yao-fan, second rockets fan. Trade him to another team which knows how to take full advantage of Yao. Because Mr. Mean doesnt know.</i>

    <i>The only reason we should trade Yao Ming is because we have done such a disgraceful job of helping him to develop his NBA Game. We would trade him because we would have compassion, knowing his potential will never be realised here in Houston. I suggest the Memphis Grizzlies where he is WANTED.</i>

    I'm sorry, but let me spell this one out for you very clearly...

    THIS IS A ROCKETS BBS!!!

    Either keep your Rocket-bashing, Yao-loving posts to yourself or post them on some site where the posters actually care. If you don't really like the Rockets, do us all a favor and disappear.
     
  3. Another Brother

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    I second that emotion!
     
  4. R0ckets03

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    When you have a rookie center and a 20 year old power forward things aren't exactly going to go smoothly. Especially in the Western Conference where there are plenty other all-star big men.

    And I am tired of people claming "Cuttino thinks he is an all-star or star". Have you talked to the guy? Has he ever said that he thinks he is an all-star? Yeah he has claimed he wants to make the all-star team. Well pardon a poor player for aiming high! :rolleyes:

    Team ball takes time. This starting unit has been together all of 72 freakin games! WTF do you want in that much time? Contending for home court? This team is contending for the playoff and that is all anyone could have wished for in the beginning of the season.

    Yeah Ming can average 20 and 10 on a crappy team. But so what? Francis could average 30 on the Cavs. Cuttino maybe 25 on a real crappy team. Eddie might average 13 and 8 if he got more touches on a crappy team. Crap I bet Cato would average 10 and 15 if he was on a crappy Eastern Conference team. The point is that this team has talent and no single person needs to do everything.


    Its perfectly fine to be a Yao only fan. However, the Yao-only fans that constantly b**** about our other players can go now jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned. "Ooooh we need to post up Yao more", "Mommy Cat won't give the ball to Yao", "Trade Yao to a crappy team so he can average his 20 and 10".

    Yao is not the only good thing this team has. The sooner you r****ds realize that the better it will be. **** I bet half of the Yao-only fans have barely seen American ball, so arguing with you guys is pointless.
     
  5. silvercatt

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    I've been wondering the same thing for a while now. Every basketball player has his own unique strengths and weaknesses. Why not hide what he's not good at and utilize what he is good at now then work on what he's not good at during the off season. Forcing Yao to play Shaq's game is like forcing Shaq to play Nowitzki's game.

    Yao has the potential to be a power player but the Rockets need to realize that Yao can not be the type power player that they envision right now because he simply does not have the strength for that yet.

    If i can not lift 200lbs, i simply can not even if i wanted to, i simply can't. I have to work on my muscles until i am strong enough to be able to lift such weight.

    From the beginning the rockets said they would never put Yao in a tough position not to be successful but as i watch Rocket basketball they seem to contradict themselve on utilizing Yao. Rockets should be glad that Yao still put up respectable numbers consistently eventhough I felt Yao is being under utilized.

    I honestly think Yao would average 18 points 10 rebs and 4 assists easily if the Rockets have a similar basketball philosophy like the Jazz or the Kings.
     
  6. R0ckets03

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    How long have the Jazz and Kings been together now? :rolleyes:

    If it was that easy to play like the Jazz and Kings every team would be fighting for a playoff spot.
     
  7. almostReady

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    In China, in March alone, there are 28 NBA games broadcasted on more than 12 TV stations. ( http://china.nba.com/32/71/subject206527132.shtml).

    Yao should go no other place as long as Rudy is the coach. Rudy is the best available mentor and coach to Ming's new NBA journey!! He loves Yao, he went to China to scout him and took Ming under his guidance. The way Rudy talks about Yao, it's like a proud father talking about his son and his bright future. This is so important to a young man coming from another country and throwed into a "cruel" world (refered to the play style of NBA by Wang Zhizhi) , plus language barrier, cultural shock, hostile treatment by some people, etc, etc. I really believe Yao could have a much less stellar first year, if Rudy was not here to guide him. Look at Wang Zhizhi and Bateer. Sure they are a little less talented, but their first year made almost zero impact and no big progress in the 2nd year either. Do you honestly think the huge difference is not related to coaching and management? IMO Yao is luky to have Rudy as his coach and as long as Rudy is the coach, Yao will continue to make steady progress. I hope Yao stay with Rudy and Francis for a long long time.

    A lot of times I was frustrated by Rudy's coaching, but if only considering Yao's progress, Houston is the best place to be.
     
  8. raytiger

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    Houston should trade Yao Ming when "his eyes seem to be bigger than his mouth, and his mouth seems to be bigger than a bicycle tire".
     
  9. raytiger

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    Houston should trade Yao before China TV stations cancel all of Yao's games, before asian fans stop going to the games to embarass themselves. Yao's commercial value has been greatly exaggerated. He can't even sell his T-shirts back in Shanghai.
     
  10. Texas Stoke

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    Yao will not average those numbers in any offenisive system if continues to play like a wuss.

    I like Yao Mings game now and am excited about his future potential, but I almost want to trade him just to get rid of Yao Only fans. Some of you guys use to get on my nerves a little but this is getting ridiculous.

    If a player has it, he will prevail in any offensive system. If Yao Ming cant be a great player here, then he'll never be a great player.
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    i guess everyone is forgetting the millions and millions Les will make off this guy.
    He won't be traded.
     
  12. ewfd

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    worst thread ever
     
  13. littlefish_220

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    I am shocked to see 20% people want to trade him now. Just because of these two games? And you guys can see his future as a bust???

    Ok, it shouldn't be a surprise. I ever read things like "Fire a two-champion coach for a 4-game lose streak" or "trade francis for a cool night". Personaly, I don't think this kind of topic makes any sense.
     
  14. raytiger

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    I am aware of any deal other than the Yajin beer. Yao's value is his "potential". I hope you sold you internet stocks before it was too late.
     
  15. Visagial

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    Are you saying that the mere passage of time is going to make the Rockets a better team? Even teams with a bunch of good players don't just magically figure out how to succeed after playing a bunch of games.

    Everyone's complaining about about the lack of systemic progress; progress towards some kind of reliable offensive scheme. It's not like the Rox don't have the talent, or (aside from the Spurs game) aren't showing any effort. They just seem to be doing a lot of things that make everyone scratch their heads.

    What are the team's goals, Xs and Os wise? Right now they basically run 4 disjointed plays that are broken up half the time. We don't seem to do anything to try to get Yao or Steve open.

    I really think this teams needs Xs and Os leadership that has the players believing in a system; that's the only way to get them to play as a team.
     
  16. Yetti

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    All that I am saying is that the Rockets as a team and especially Yao Ming need help. They need encouragement , coaching and Team effort both in defence and offence. We will not ever get to this if our mind set is concentrated on these stupid and silly polls, aimed at bringing about hatred of one player or another.The incorporation of Yao Ming into the Rockets has been a difficult task for the Coaches, especially as the team was organised arroung our Guards being the main driving force. I am only critical because I had hoped, as many Rox fans have, that they would see a more deliberate use of Yao Mings talents . When I see him moving away from the action and not involved in the Game, although on court for several minutes at a time and never touching the ball, I believe that there is an activity gap that need to be ulilized.
    When I said Yao Ming is the future of the Rockets I meant it! Infact he is also the present, how many fans would bother to go to the Rox Games or even watch on TV if we didnt have Yao Ming? Answer only the diehard Fans,which is only about 20% of us.
     
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    If you're implying that most of Yao's fans are from overseas you're in denial.
     
  18. Bailey

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    Hmmm. This past few months has made that a tough call.

    I'm not disagreeing with you though.
     
  19. sun12

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    Smart players in the Jazz system typically do well. This is Matt Harping's first year in Jazz uniform, he did quite well.

    Anyway, I believe it is quite difficult or a long adjustment process to incorporate a center into a rotation, especially if the center is a rookie. But still, during Dream and Robinson's first year, they did quite well.

    The Rox's support system, however, is not among the top teams in the league. We do not have much assistant coaches, and maybe not enough trainers.

    I still believe with the right coaching personnel, Dream should be able to win more than 2 championships. The up and down during Dream's stay in Houston just reflects the weakness of the Rox's organization.

    Should we trade Yao? It depends, if Rox can put together a supporting system that can develop Yao to his full potential, then keep him. If not, trade him so that we do not need to worry about developing him and dealing with the Chinese CBA.
     
  20. MacBeth

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    Of course, any open ended question like this leaves a lot up in the air...Would I trade Yao for Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett and Carmelo Anthony? Er, yes...Would I trde him for Elden Campbell and Justin Timberlake? Uh, no...

    But I assume that you mean would I trade him for what woul be his fair market value right now, all else being equal...and the answer would be no, damn no...

    1) He's a potential franchise center, the rarest of all commodities, and the one which translates most into rings.

    2) He's a class guy, a solid citizen, and damned smart, all of which increase his value beyond the court.

    3) He leads to lors and lots of $$$$$$$ for the franchise, never a bad thing.

    4) Sell high, buy low...Now is as low as his trade value has been since the beginning of the year...

    5) See no. 1 again...and again...
     

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