Would you trade Yao for Pau Gasol?

lastmanstanding · May 19, 2009

wnes said:
Do you have issue expressing your thoughts clearly or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

Here's you said: "Give me the guy who I know I will get 18 and 9 from every night rather than the guy who splits between 35/15 - 7/5- IR. This is even more greatly magnified if you consider the best teams (ie: the playoffs) are the most likely to totally take Yao out of the game."

You first statement was made with no restriction attached -- again, what the heck does "every night" mean in your book?

Essentially you were claiming that, 1) compared to Gasol, Yao' scoring as well as rebounding was highly inconsistent night in and night out; 2) compared to Gasol, Yao's inconsistencies in both categories were even more pronounced when competing against elite teams. You also implied when Yao's scoring was low, his rebounding would take a hit.

I have since recompiled numbers to include every game both Yao and Gasol played this season. The results (mean±s.e) are not much dissimilar to the ones I posted previously:
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	                -----ppg-----	          -----rpg-----	
	              Gasol	    Yao	        Gasol        Yao
vs all teams	   18.82±0.63	19.40±0.64    9.77±0.36   9.99±0.39
vs playoff teams   18.38±0.70	19.45±0.90    9.74±0.53   9.84±0.51
in playoffs	   18.50±1.45   17.11±2.22   10.75±0.99  10.89±0.65
Yao and Gasol are statistically dead even in terms of the consistencies in their scoring as well as rebounding in games (93 by Gasol and 86 by Yao) vs all teams. Their ppg and rpg averages are nearly identical to the overall means in either category when competing against all playoff teams (53 games by Gasol and 49 by Yao), although Yao's scoring variance is slightly larger. In the playoff games where the sample sizes (12 by Gasol and 9 by Yao) are considerably smaller, both Yao and Gasol recorded higher rebounding averages, but Yao's scoring took a hit (however the t-test results show the difference between Gasol and Yao is insignificant).

Even though you explicitly qualified your second statement, that had no effect whatsoever on your first statement, which is completely false. Overall, Yao's perceived inconsistencies, when compared to those of Gasol's in all games, in games vs good teams (all playoff teams), and in games vs "best teams" (in playoffs) are either mostly over-exaggerated, simply non-existent, or to the contrary.

Not disagreeing with what you said in much of the latter part of the above post -- you could tell I sure attach greater importance to scoring than rebounding (see the end of post #48), but this is not the point of my refutation of your original argument. You had no idea how consistent each player was in scoring and rebounding to begin with, and when you were called out for your numerous baseless claims, you kept shifting goal post. BTW, if you are so dismissive about rebounding and its consistency, why even bother to bring them up in the first place? Can you at least be coherent in your argument even though you appear to be somewhat quantitatively deficient when numerical matters become slightly non-trivial (maybe your intellectual laziness gets the best of you at the moment, but I can't really tell).
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Nice post. Since they are more or less even, who would you choose and would you trade Pau for Yao?

cavevato · May 19, 2009

Anyone think the OP justs wants to see Yao and Kobe paired up, Rockets be damned?

Totoro · May 19, 2009

Yes, in a heartbeat. Maybe Rox can somehow get his brother Marc and Pau to anchor the front line which will be awesome.

We all LOVE you big guy but it's just not working out for the fans and some of your teammates. You're a loyal guy and all but can't ask the fans to be loyal if you're not on the court showing off your skills because at this point I'm being forced to watch the so called best center "throwing up" an ugly 5 feet running hook in ECF and you understand it's a business decision.

Fans are fickle and selfish anyway, so no hard feeling and for the good of the team.

I bid you adios amigo!

tommyz2kool · May 19, 2009

cavevato said:

Anyone think the OP justs wants to see Yao and Kobe paired up, Rockets be damned?
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Kobe and Yao would be unstoppable - assuming the rest of the NBA stays the same.

heyangw · May 19, 2009

When seeing the best center throwing up a hook, I feel his wrist is as hard as my ankle.

Totoro said:

Yes, in a heartbeat. Maybe Rox can somehow get his brother Marc and Pau to anchor the front line which will be awesome.

We all LOVE you big guy but it's just not working out for the fans and some of your teammates. You're a loyal guy and all but can't ask the fans to be loyal if you're not on the court showing off your skills because at this point I'm being forced to watch the so called best center "throwing up" an ugly 5 feet running hook in ECF and you understand it's a business decision.

Fans are fickle and selfish anyway, so no hard feeling and for the good of the team.

I bid you adios amigo!
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wnes · May 19, 2009

lastmanstanding said:

Since they are more or less even, who would you choose and would you trade Pau for Yao?
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I think I've answered similar question raised by WeMissDekeMan. If Yao/Adelman/rest of Rockets can figure out how to use Yao effectively and efficiently, specifically on two issues, the fronting and Yao's playing time, there is no way this question should be asked. Yao or not, generally I am not for trading a player who contributes to the team if immediate benefits of the trade are not obvious.

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