The Clippers won 19 games last year. If you think there is certainty with them, then you think they will suck unless Blake Griffin is crazy good. I'm not being presumptuous, you are. You put them ahead of us. I'm saying that they sucked last year, so you can't assume they will be good this year thanks to Griffin. You said we can't make the playoffs. You presumed we will suck. The Suns weren't a great team last year. Add another year on the wheels of Nash and Hill. I said they won't run away with a playoff spot, and they won't. I'm waiting a couple of months into the season before deciding if these guys are good, or not. Making it harder is the fact that we won't see T-Mac for at least a month to know how what kind of player he will be and how he effects team chemistry.
Ok, they won 19 games last year, but how relevant is that statistic when Baron Davis missed about a quarter of the season and Chris Kaman/Ricky Davis each missed half? Even Camby missed about a quarter of the season. To be fair though, Ricky Davis/Marcus Camby aren't nearly as integral to the Clippers as Baron & Kaman are. The only thing I'm being presumptuous about is that the Clippers will be healthy b/c there's nothing that leads me to believe otherwise. And they'll be better now that Shaq is no longer on their roster. Ok? Nash is still putting up great numbers and Hill played the entire season for the first time in his career. I guess that depends on your definition of "running away". It's fine if you want to wait a few months, but if you had to make a bet right now on whether or not Phoenix would make the playoffs, you know you'd bet on them making it.
Paul Pierce Rasheed Wallace Chauncey Billups Shaquille O'Neal (only 1 MVP, yet he has 3 Finals MVPs) Yao Ming (Who has multiple 20-10 seasons and averaged as many 25 ppg, yet Gasol has only averaged over 20 once in his career and never averaged a double double? Never successful in the playoffs without another superstar - Kobe). Shane Battier (maybe the best wing defender in the league, but has not being elected to 1st team defense at any point in his career). Jason Kidd (No MVPs)
Intriguing....but no. I like the Yao/Scola front court. Plus it would absolutely kill me to see Yao in piss yellow. No thank you.
you also have to take into account how gasol would do in an adelman's offense. and he would be perfect. again, both teams wouldn't do this trade. the lakers and rockets are happy with gasol and yao respectively.
Of course, only a few people will give a honest opinion on a rockets board like Durvasa,Brooksball, and a few others. There are a a lot of "fans" that can't see the forrest because they're to close to the trees. If you just compare production,durability, and versitility, no one in their right mind would say yao is the better player. The bigger question is, why would La do it? Yao and Gasol need to be 2nd fiddle and its nothing wrong with that, but gasol does other things better and can do them longer when he is 2nd fiddle. When yao isn't getting the ball on offense in special areas of the floor, because of his lack of stamina, he becomes almost useless. Gasol on the other hand can be a good high post passer, he runs the court very well, and he can also put the ball on the floor from high post if someone is overplaying him. Its not Yaos fault he can't do those things, it is what it is though. This is just me, there are a lot of deals I would consider taking for Yao. That's not to say he's not a good player, its just you really limit your team in the type of style you can play and the durability issues are also a huge concern.
This may be correct. That does not change that Gasol is not a first and second fiddle here because we don't have a Kobe or a healthy Tmac right now. Even with a healthy Tmac I don't see us winning it big with Gasol. They are not dominant in my eyes.
Sorry I have to see him win a playoff match without Kobe to judge him as a co-franchise player. In the playoffs tough players or heroes are born. I don't really care about the regular season so much.
9 pages of this in one day... I though the offseason was over? One cannot comprehend the magnitude if Yao plays for the Lakers... Lakers is already a large (if not the largest) market in the NBA and with Yao, Lakers will bring HUGE amounts of additional revenue to the already HUGE money making Lakers organization. Now why would we ever give more ammo to the enemy is beyond me. They will be guaranteed champions. Kobe, Artest, and Yao? You kidding me? It's not even funny... I'm sorry, but Morey is not that stupid... Gasol? Really?
I don't quite agree with that. 1. Most centers can't work outside of paint, because they aren't typically jump shooters or capable of large shot range away from the basket. 2. He isn't useless, when he is drawing double teams and fronting. Because, usually someone is sitting open or the basket is unguarded. We haven't really had the players who can take to basket or shoot consistently, outside of T-Mac and Scola.
Gasol led a team to the playoffs without a player the caliber of tracy being the top dog. When Tracy has been out before the artest trade, yao and the rox are terrible. So ur argument is done.
This has nothing to do with forests and how good a player Gasol can be. A lot of guys don't like the lama, ostrich. He is not popular and does not sell tickets, except to the Spanish fans.
exactly...you all will see how average Ariza is this coming season. gasol did crap in Memphis. without kobe on the floor...back to crap a healthy Yao next season playing 25 minutes helps the Lakers by leaps and bounds. put him on the floor with kobe and his abilities are magnified
