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Would you trade Yao for Gasol?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RyanB, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

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    Yao on crutches is still way more likeable than a healthy Gasol. He aint lead us nowhere with fans not supporting him! :rolleyes:
     
  2. daywalker02

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    May I add.
    I HATE GASOL!
     
  3. MandM's

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    you are just a dumb ass.
     
  4. durvasa

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    Why is that? I think his mentality is actually very similar to Yao's.
     
  5. saleem

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    If I could get a healthy Biedrins as a defensive rebounder,defender along with Pau, yes.
     
  6. leebigez

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    Let me ask u a question, when gasol was the top dog in memphis, who was his 2nd best player? Williams,battier,swift,posey,or wright? Since being in houston, yao has been the 2nd fiddle to tracy and when tracy has been down, they have won 30% of their games. Since going to La in a lopsided trade and remember La couldn't get out the 1st rd, they have made the finals 2 times. Last yr the rox finally shown they coujld win without tracy because they had Artest who was better than anything Pau played with in memphis.

    Plutoblue, when yao is getting the ball on the block, he can set screens, and that's it. He shojuld be a good passer, but he doesn't play angles well. He's slow as my 71 yr old mama, so its not like he can run and cut in motion, but that's not his fault. He's a pretty rebounder in a specific area, but can't chase long rebounds off shot, again not his fault. His stamina only allows him to play at a high level for 22 minutes a night, again, it may not be his fault. If it game whatever and you need gasol or yao to play 43 minutes,who do you think will be most effective?
     
  7. daywalker02

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    The never shaving guy who plays in a lackadaisical way. I don't know really but the more I watch him the uglier his game seems to be to me. Maybe because he's a Faker.
    The way he moves is pretty ugly and he hasn't won anything outside LA land.
    One big reason is that you guys think they can trade a homegrown player who had sworn loyalty to the franchise for him.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    he knows he's 2nd fiddle and he's the best 2nd fiddle in the league. he does his job and he does it at an extremely high level.

    it isn't like yao is a franchise player where he plays 40 minutes and controls EVERYTHING offensively and defensively.

    again, taking injuries into account, you make this trade if it's offered, which it won't. the lakers aren't stupid.

    you trade tracy/yao if there's a good offer. pau is a GREAT offer for yao. joe johnson is a good offer for tracy. or something similar.
     
  9. daywalker02

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    I did not say that Pau was useless. He does fit very well alongside Bryant. He is a very good player. Still I don't think he can do the same here in Houston with our players. Because he never won a game in the playoffs outside LA, you can't talk me into trusting him.
     
  10. leebigez

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    I guess you just started watching basketball this yr to make this comment. He was the best player on memphis and took them to the playoffs. He was rookie of the yr and all star before going to la. La was a 1 and done before he got there to play 2nd banana and now they have been to the finals u times in a row. Take the emotion out and talk basketball. Be a student,not a fan.
     
  11. RyanB

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    ya for sure, Gasol's skills in the high post are much better than Yao's, even in defense, Yao cannot defend in high pick and rolls.
     
  12. daywalker02

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    That is not right. We are fans who occasionally analyze basketball but we support our players, ex-players who we could identify with - SF3....
    Let Morey do his job and he won't get Gasol offered. That is simply not going to happen.
     
  13. leebigez

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    I don't have to talk u into trusting him, but u trust battier who was on that same team that couldn't win a playoffs game.He has shown he can get a team to the playoffs as the top dog and marginal talent around him. He has helped elevate La into the statosphere because he does a lot of things very,very well.
     
  14. t_mac1

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    each has their strengths and deficiencies.

    pau is a much better player in the high post and is a very good passer for his size, which makes him an ideal big man in adelman's offense. he also has a very underrated low post game. if kobe wasn't there, he would demand double teams everytime he touches the ball in the low post. sometimes teams double him WITH kobe on the floor.

    however, yao is arguably the best low post player in the L. but his game stops there. and a lot of the times our offense becomes stagnant trying to force feed him the ball. despite our wins in the playoffs, our offense was beyond mediocre.

    defensively, pau is a better pick and roll player and can guard mobile big men. however, yao is a much better low post defender (he can guard dwight/duncan... with single coverage for the most part).

    so you can't go wrong with either. pau DID lead his team to the playoffs 3 times as the best player in a tough western conference. he just didn't get out of the first round. and yao can also lead a team.

    but for the most part, both are 2nd fiddle type of players. its in their character.
     
  15. daywalker02

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    I stated earlier it was first and foremost about being the No. 1 option and as we don't know if we could rely on Tmac long-term it is not wise to trade for him. We are not in the WIN now mode. If I could have him with Yao that would be more than welcome. Still don't like him but for the success I would endure.

    Lowry
    Johnson
    Ariza
    Pau
    Yao

    As for now, I would rather develop rookies than trade for a borderline allstar who in my eyes is not the solution.
     
  16. leebigez

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    All i'm saying is I look at a poster like Durvasa. To me, he/she is a very analytical and statistical type of poster, but he backs up his points very well without emotion. Now, he's on this board, so he's obviously a rockets fan, but when he doesn't agree with a player, its not because of some high school type of dislike. He uses arguments that are valid vs "I don't like the way he runs" or "I don't like the way he look" or "he played for the jazz or fakers and I will throw up in my mouth" type of bs. Now I understan that we have a lot of kids and young adults on this board, but some of the responses are childlike. I don't care who is on the roster, I just want the best players that can help my team win a ring.
     
  17. RyanB

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    ya, with our current team and when T-Mac will be back it would be much better to have Gasol
    Picks and rolls would be much more dangerous, and our defense would be better too cause Pau moves in every cm on the floor
    T-Mac and co won't have to slow the play and make a half court offense
     
  18. daywalker02

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    Never mind. Then take a good look at Durvasa. Although I tend to disagree with DaDakota I can understand what he's feeling towards a player. If you are talking about a player like Yao who has given it all for the franchise a hard nosed Rocket fan would be very saddened to give him away for a non franchise player such as Gasol. How can you say Gasol is like Yao. He may play well but he's never been bound deeply with a team. When you talk about Gasol, go out in the wide world and ask anybody which team Gasol can identified with. They would say LA and not Memphis. At least most of them. But if you ask everyone about Yao. You'll know the answer. Such a trivial thing one might think accounts for a lot. Sorry I don't see Gasol as a No. 1 option.
    BTW I am not a kid. A grown up fan of the Houston Rockets and a Yao Ming fan. Since when it is forbidden to be a fan of a player and the team?
    I personally dislike Gasol and this is my business.
     
  19. daywalker02

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    If you were not emotional you won't post so much. Basically I just want to say Gasol is not the real answer and not the only option out there. We don't have even the slightest chance to trade for him. Les and Morey would not do it. There are sentimental and financial reasons involved. LA won't make the mistake to dissect the team.
     
  20. MambaJoe

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    Gasol has a better all around game and a higher basketball IQ than Yao. But the thing is that Gasol plays PF.

    Plus, I don't think Yao is one of the greatest centers of all time. Yao is a good center, but he is not great. Hakeem, Bill Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson...Those guys were great, Yao is no where near any one of those guys.
     

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