Manu's number will be retired by the Spurs. So will Duncan's and Parker's. I say this because together they have won 3 championships for the Spurs. And I don't think the Spurs would have won these championships if one of these three guys were not on the team. Parker and Ginobili are much more than role players.
Manu is the more efficient scorer and he fits the Spurs better than McGrady would. On the other hand, the Rockets don't necessarily need Manu, just a guy that can penetrate like him. Get a couple of shooters around him and that's all you need.
Using those numbers aren't fair because McGrady usually has to facilitate and has the ball in his hands more. Put Mcgrady behind Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and his number would shoot up as well.
It has more to do with the second part of my post than the first. Love guys that play hard, which is why I will feel sad when Chuck Hayes eventually is shown the door. David Lee is an easy guy to cheer for even though he is on a bad team because he always plays hard. Luis Scola is Manu without the offensive(meaning with the ball) flailing and jumping away from the hoop to try and make the ref blow the whistle rather than trying to make the shot. Manu looks for players running down the court looking the other way so he can sneak up and make them run him over, risking injury to the other player(Manu is prepared so he wont get hurt).
Are you kidding me? Like your American always said, I'll do it "in a heartbeat", and I'll do it "once everyday, and twice on sunday".
It would be so much 'fun' to see Manu trying to lead our role players playing against Utah without Rafer.
I think Manu at this point is a better scorer than McGrady is. But I think McGrady is a better passer and thus makes his teammates better. For that reason, I would take T-Mac anyday.
agree. i doubt manu could've led the rockets without yao like tmac did. but he's definitely more efficient at scoring now that tmac's shooting's gone.
Duncan won his first championship without Ginobili and Parker. It's not a stretch to say he could win 2 more, without them.
[State of the Union Address] Ladies and Gentlemen, distinguished and honorary guests... I would be all for the trade if Manu is our third option; he's that elusive 'third guy' that we've been after for years now, but to no avail. I would even go as far as to anoint him the best 'third option' player in the league, or at least option 2b behind Parker's 2a. It's what makes the Spurs so deadly and true contenders year in and year out. They have a 'trio' that is -- collectively -- the foundation of their franchise, with interchangeable parts around them. That 'trio' has had years of experience and deep playoff runs together, they have great chemistry and know how to play with one another. They also have 'specialist' at a number of positions on the team, from shooters to slashers to defensive terrors. They figured out something that other teams didn't catch on 'til now: in order to succeed in today's NBA, you need a Big Three, with a dominant low-post player. For as long as I can remember, the Rockets have been content with a 'Big Two' and that just doesn't cut it in this league anymore. Even if Yao is healthy, how in the world does anyone honestly think we could beat teams like the Spurs, Suns and Celtics should we actually get that far in the playoffs? Not with Rafer Alston as your 'third option' guy, you won't. So several years in, the problem is the same: we don't have a reliable, long-term player that can legitimately be considered a 'third option'. Until we do, we will never get to where we ultimately want to go: the NBA Finals. Yao and McGrady aren't the problem. They have way too much pressure on them by opposing defenses and they keep breaking down on us because they have to carry the entire load night in and night out. That's a recipe for disaster, as has been the case ever since both guys donned those Rockets unis. Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Suns, Pistons: what do all have in common? Together crowd! "Third Option...Third Option...Third Option!" Once you get that 'core' together, you start putting some 'specialists' around them (we already have Battier, as one) and you will be alright. Then, and only then, can we truly call ourselves 'contenders'. May God Bless you, and may God Bless the Rockets... [/end of the State of the Union address]
That's why I've been clamoring for a guy like Corey Maggette for years now, because he's a slasher who's strong and makes a living at the FT line. He's also had some injury issues, but a guy like that would be -- in essence -- our very own version of Manu Genobili, without the flopping of course.
I agree completely... Magette....would be top priority...if not him than Pietrus.....and then I would focus on trading for a quality PG. DD
This is really impossible to argue... Everyone concedes that Kobe is the best player in the league but when you adjust for minutes Manu is better. look here I don't buy it though. There are plenty of players in the NBA who are in the go to guy role who shouldn't be but i don't think there are any who are 2nd or 3rd options who should be the main guy. If Manu was this good he would have been on another team making much more money by now. He just fits perfectly with their system and works hard.
Sometimes I think we'd be better off with a SG that can actually make spot up shots and attack the basket. Do we really need a playmaker who can't make a spot up jumpshot or attack the basket anymore? With Manu you know what you're getting everynight. With T-Mac, you don't know what the hell you're going to get. Some nights he's awful some nights he's the best player in the league. I'd think long nad hard about this one.
This is why I said it is not as lopsided an idea as some people are making it out to be. I remember I wanted to trade Francis for Andre Miller back in the day and got killed for it......I also said B Diddy was better than Francis, and also got killed for it. I think people have a hard time looking at their favorite team as assets and not as a fan.. DD
DD, 1. Do you think McGrady could win 6th man of the year if he came off the bench like Ginobili? 2. Do you think Ginobili as the first option could carry the Rockets without Yao to win 10 games in a roll? Case closed.
