Would you trade TMac for Manu?

Who else is on the court? Duncan, Bowen, Finley, Parker, Horry...

Or Hayes, Head, Alston, Battier, Mutombo, and Novak?

Get a clue. He's 6th man of the year material...he's 3 scoring option material....he's NOT 2nd fiddle to Yao on a WC Finalist.

 

Look at Manu's teammates and then look at T-Mac's teammates. I'd like to see how T-Mac does playing with guys like Parker and Duncan. Manu wouldn't look as good as he does playing with rookies, 2nd year players, old vets and a streetball legend.

 

I am guessing they have about the same success rate. But again, that's a misleading question because if all you want Manu for is the last quarter of the game and you don't depend on him otherwise, then he's perfect for that role, probably more so even than McGrady.

However, what you and others fail to realize by oversimplifying matters is the following: if McGrady doesn't do what he does for us throughout the game, there is no "fourth quarter" to worry about. Ideally, you want both: a guy like McGrady who can carry a team throughout the game, and a 'finisher' alas Manu or even Ben Gordon from the Bulls last season.

Manu is a situational player, McGrady is a superstar an entire team depends on from point A to point B. So again, your question is trivial in nature and doesn't really address reality.

You want Manu to play 40+ minutes a game and be the only all-star on a team of scrubs/have beens that are playing over their heads? Go ahead, but to me I think it's quite clear that they're two completely different players asked to play two completely different roles for their respective teams. But I do know this for sure: McGrady would benefit greatly from that trade, and Manu wouldn't be as happy with his new one.

 

The poll needs a "HELL NO" option, in my humble opinion.

 

this thread is a cleverly disguised, (no a blatant), Tmac hate thread. if you've ever been in chat with DaDakota, you know why he started this thread.

Why even argue with him, people. You're arguing with a TMac hata who is just going to become stronger by your arguments.

watch, now he's going to say, "I'm just telling it like it is."

You can't argue with people who think like that...who not only need to be right...but who need to be UNIQUELY RIGHT LIKE NO ONE ELSE IN ALL CAPS!

it's a silly and boring way to talk basketball. "I tell it like it is like no one else has before." sigh

 

I would do it in a heartbeat, but San Antonio would not do that trade.

 

So, you admit it's not disguised, and it's a blatant TMac hater thread.
See, I was right people. I'm just telling it like it is.

 

Am I supposed to take that seriously? "Outside of their Big Three"?! You mean Duncan and Parker and Manu are not enough for you? Or dead-eye clutch shooters like Finely and Barry, or defensive utility men like Bowen?

That's like saying, "outside of Shaq and Dwayne Wade"...it's ENOUGH that they have a Duncan and a Parker. You know what that means? Open lanes for Manu, no double-teams or anyone who can afford to gear their entire defense to stopping him.

You're seriously losing it. The problem with most of your arguments is that you just don't seem to articulate them very well. I really don't think you think things all the way through, and instead try to 'fit' your questions/arguments in a way that would suit your preconceptions; you've already made up your mind so now you're just looking for ways to fit the 'facts' in a way that support your conclusions.

Here's a challenge: articulate a fully-developed argument that considers all aspects of the two players you're comparing, within their respective contexts, and then proceed to tell me how Manu is better than McGrady. I just don't think you can logically make that argument without being highly selective with the way you apply it (i.e. the "in the clutch" question that doesn't even address the other 45 minutes of the game).

 

wow even old-schooled rockets fans are dumber than i thought. tmac dominated last night and we saw how he ran out of gas in 40 minutes of play.

manu at best is a 30 minute player. he never had to carry a team by himself. he never was asked to carry a team. he never had the pressure to carry a team. he never faced criticism if he lost...

do people think before they type? sometimes i wonder if tmac or the rockets deserve this.

 

Here is a theory I have. Even though y'all don't care maybe someone will humor me.

Lamar Odom is the 2nd option in LA- Fans hate him, he shoots low %, takes bad shots, is a reluctant scorer, and is flat out awkward on the floor.

Lamar Odom is the 3 option in LA- His shot selection is better, his % is through the roof, he concentrates on rebounding, creating for others, hustle play, looks fluid in the offense, and plays with passion. Fans love him. He is instrumental in the Lakers' success.

This scenario applies to McGrady and Manu. Imagine how good McGrady could be as the 3rd option. When he can focus on what he does best (at this point in his career). Imagine if he didn't have to force the shots, which isn't his strong point any longer.

I do think Manu would make a strong 2nd fiddle. Perhaps even a better fit here. But he has the luxury of the 3rd option role and it suits him. McGrady on the Spurs sounds scary deadly.

Just some thoughts. Kind of random I know.

 

I like the Argentines too, but fair is fair man. Manu is a great deal because of his salary, but all else being equal (i.e. holding the salary constant so that we don't bias our evaluation) he ain't no T-Mac. And this is coming from someone who's been on the 'fence' about McGrady AND Yao since last season.

And just to clarify, I am in no way opposed to trading McGrady, I am just opposed to trading him for no other particular reason than to get rid of his salary, which expires in two years anyways and in time for Lebron/Wade to be free agents. In reality, trading McGrady "straight up" for another player will probably end up putting us at a disadvantage. In reality, it will take at least a couple of players -- or more -- to adequately replace what McGrady did/meant for this team. You're not going to get another single player who can do for you what McGrady does for the Rockets...not outside of Kobe and Lebron.

 

DD,

I think we should discuss this topic in the offseason.

The rockets still have (at least) two games left, and we still need Tmac to work his hardest in those games. You are taliking about trade him now?!

You simply give up those games now. If someone else is talking about this in this board now, I won't feel disappointing. But, it is you! You are supposed to be our Tmac in this board and you should be the last one to give up!

I am so disappointed by you!!!!!!!!!!!

abc

 

play manu 40 minutes a game, let him be the first option 90% of the plays, let him face the defense tmac faces... he probably needs to go to the ER after 2 quarters.

 

I'm beginning to see the trend DD-

you hate JVG-- he's run out of town
you hate TMac--

who's next?

Hey, whatever happened to Turbo?

 

You sir, are a hater of DD, that is clear.

SHEESH !

DD