I understand what you are talking about (heat checks) but T-Mac is a great passer and damn his basketball IQ is on a very high level.
I said playmaker. I acknowledged his shot selection is not good, but he is a great decision maker when it comes to PG abilties (controlling tempo, ballhandling, passing, etc...). This is where he clearly trumps Manu, who is often out of control and makes some horrible decisions (see- end of game 1 of the Lakers series, made some horrific decisions with the ball). I thought in that part of the debate we were dicussing why Yao can/can't be the centerpiece of the team, which was spurred by you saying pretty soon it will be Yao's team and Manu is a perfect compliment. Hakeem was also to put the ball on the floor from 15ft out and consistently hit the midrange jumper. He was not as restricted as Yao is with his scoring. The ability to be a weapon on more than one area of the court allows for more lanes for teammates to get open, and it is largely why he was so effective. Not to mention he was a much better passer and decision maker than Yao, and less TO prone. By the time the Rockets get into the set, Yao comes up to set the pick, T-Mac goes over the pick and lets the double come, there is little time for Yao to roll and get back into position, in which T-Mac would have the one on one iso at the top of the key. And when you have the ball 25ft out with the entire defense keing in on you, it is rare that there is a straight line to the rim. Often times the defense will collapse and force him to pass. Manu often gets the ball 20ft out, wing extended, and he immediately makes the move...much better driving lanes because the defense doesn't have time to key in on him and the angle makes it harder for the help defense to rotate. T-Mac was put in a similar position earlier in the season, and as a result he was scoring at will because he was put in much better scoring position. Manu would have similar troubles as T-Mac does if he was constantly ran off the high PNR.
Tmac is a better playmaker in the half-court game. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but he rarely ever pushes the ball on a fast break. Manu does. Talking about records is irrelevant. Speculating on how the two players would mesh is perfectly relevant. My point is that if you have good, consistent shooters, double teams will be less frequent. And Yao would dominate almost anyone one on one. When they were both healthy, they werent often involved in the same play. And in any case, Yao shouldnt be the one involved in the pnr. He's too slow. I dont think Manu would rely so much on the pnr. His game currently involves much more movement w/o the ball.
manu is more broken down than tmac and yet he plays a ton less minutes under less pressure. let's let this thing go. morey would rather trade tmac for parker now than manu. nobody wants manu now more than just a 6th man.
Post of the year, no reason to keep arguing on this thread. A thread like Brandon Roy for T-MAC would sound ok Manu played like **** vs the spurs, if manu is reall AS good as you said then i guess he's the reason they lost?
That's pretty much the case. I think it's interesting that people on this thread are claiming that Manu's only useful because he plays on the same team as Duncan and Parker. Yet in the Lakers series pretty much every game that Manu sucked in the Spurs lost and when he was on his game they won.
the thing is that's from playing VERY LITTLE MINUTES. and he has never played heavy minutes in his career. how do you break down from playing 30 mpg? shouldn't you only break down from carrying a franchise by yourself playing 38-40 mpg and doing everything?
Not just that he never has to carry a team... " No the double is coming! Should i dish it to duncan? Or should i dish it to parker? He has so many options. He is a compliment to duncan and that is all
DD you are losing it if you think Manu is worth more than Tmac....both played hurt, (tmac was more hurt) and still played way better than Manu, even a healthy manu isnt even close to being a elite player in the league. Plus the fine on flopping basically is the end of Manu's NBA career
I gotta admit that what he did in Orlando doesn't apply over here, but IMHO he was better his first season as a rocket than in Orlando, if you even saw that season. Since you don't know about him in Orlando I'm guessing that is why it is so easy for you to undermine him. He holds most of the Magic franchise records including most points in a game He won NBA back to back scoring champion which only 9 players have ever done. He single handedly took them to a 3-1 lead over the first seed which never should have happened. He would shoot over 50% WAY more than he has done in any of his seasons in houston. 62 Points vs the wizards <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hnWlUx2_uL0&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hnWlUx2_uL0&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> He outscored the wizards the first 18 minutes of the game and was 15-20 in the first half. Also his FT% was A LOT better as you can see. This was the season where this was he had 4-5 50+ pt games
I don't know about that... Manu's been getting those old guy injuries his whole NBA career. He gets cool points for playing through them, though. I just wanted to point that out. It really shows that he IS NOT breaking down any more than usual this year. This is probably the first time he's been injured in the playoffs, though. A point that i haven't seen yet is that Ginobli had his best season (by a long shot) so far and he is what 31 and Tracy Mcgrady had his worst season (by a long shot) in a long time and they are close. It is possible that Tmac's last season is an aberration and due mostly to injuries (maybe not). I think it will not only be hard for Ginobli to play any better but it will be increasingly hard for him to play as well (because of the way he plays) for very long. I think Tracy Mcgrady's game could last alot longer. If they both lost most of their atheleticism next season i think Tracy would still be very effective while Ginobli might look like he did in the lakers' series.
If you know his Orlando career doesnt apply, whats the point in posting his Orlando stats? Yes, he was amazing back then. But that was a player that we will never see again. And why shouldn't I be critical of him? He's earned almost all the criticisms he's received. Should we overlook his current deficiencies based on his past performances with a different team?
he has his deficiencies, but his deficiencies are not really the primary reasons why we haven't advanced past the first round since he arrived here. we need to focus on improving "other" deficiencies and improve the team. tmac is not the problem.
I consider his disappearing act in the last few minutes of last year's game 7 to be a primary reason why we havent advanced.
is it more so that yao's lack of individual defense and rebounding, which were more glaring in EVERY game of the playoffs? is it b/c of our lack of role players stepping up? again, i said tmac had his deficiencies. but he had not been the primary reasons we lost. boozer dominated yao EVERY game in the playoffs last yr from one end of the floor. role players didn't step up EVERY game in the playoffs for the most part. tmac could have been kobe-like this year, but he's not. but he's not the main reason as i said.
You expect Yao to be able to contain Boozer? Do you realize that Boozer is a PF and Yao is a center? Boozer is smaller, faster, and has a good mid-range jumper. Yao shouldn't have been guarding him to begin with. Yao's defensive strength comes in the form of team defense. With him clogging up the lane, opposing players will be more reluctant to drive to the basket. And Yao's rebounding ability is limited by his lack of athleticism. Due to his height and frame, his lateral movement is slow. Therefore, he won't get many rebounds unless they come near him. Since the role players hadn't been performing well, Tmac should not have deferred to them in the last few minutes of game 7. The only way that Tmac could've been Kobe-like this year is if he found the fountain of youth and was able to take 5 years of wear and tear off his body.
Sorry if Yao is part of the primary reason, so can TMac. He was not perfect in that series. I'm absolutely tired of McGrady being absolved for that series. This is not a McGrady forum. In this forum every Rocket had a part in it. Would have been easier if the role-players showed up? Of Course. But Yao also had those same role players which also made him expended a lot of energy carrying the team. Nobody said the role of the superstar was easy. In that series both McGrady and Yao were expected to be superman. Both failed short.
