If you put Ginobili on this Rockets team without Yao against Utah in the playoffs, how many games do you think they win? Keep in mind Manu is double and triple teamed by Kirelenko, Brewer and Harpring. Aside from a few flops I have a hard time seeing him being that effective.
Outside of game 6 Tmac was not all that effective either....that is the entire point. Manu plays harder, and is more efficient, he is NOT that far behind Tmac if at all.... DD
There are players who are good and are made even better by the true franchise players around them (Manu). Then, there are players who are great and make everyone else better (Tmac although he is at the bottom of that tier). Manu could never be the best player on a very good or great team. Much like the young version of Steve Francis, Ginobli is a guy who is just not good enough to consistently be great AND make his teammates better when the focus of the other team is on him. It isn't even a legit comparison. It's like comparing Caron Butler to Tmac or Chris Bosh to Duncan.
Really?? You could certainly rail about his 4th Q ineffectiveness in gms 1,2,4. But he played extremely well in the 1st 3qs of all of those games, AND he was big in game 3 (last shot not withstanding), big in game 5, and game 6. The Manu vs. TMac comparsion is just stupid.
Fair enough, but only facts I have is watching games. If you look at the players thats all you can do. The fact that Tmac gets doubled and tripled team which Manu basically NEVER gets. This is key fact imo.
In a word, yes. I would do this trade. 1.Tmac has only 2-3 good(effective) years left. 2.He's already become a highly paid jumpshooter that has a hard time driving to the basket. 3.He is always hurt, and you can only assume he'll be injured more often as he gets older. 4.He has admitted he doesn't always give it his all. 5.His shooting% have dropped every year since he's been in Houston, with this year being the worst by far. He's not going to find his shooting touch based on my statistics class. 6.Did I mention he's often hurt and doesn't play hard when he is on the court. 7.Team ball suffers when he is on the court because he dominates the ball so much, his teammates rely on him to get them open looks versus looking for their own shot and create. Manu plays hard every night and shoots a a good clip. Not to mention is a good teammate that doesn't dominate the ball in order to be effective. Too bad these are only ........
LOL this is a joke, a 6th man for one of the top players in the game. Comical. Thank God our GM isn't that stupid
I can't believe how close this poll is. Everyone says T-mac only have 2-3 good years left, but Manu is even older than Tracy. You cannot rely on Manu to carry a team and I'm not even sure he would be starting here in Houston. But obviously if he were to be traded here another piece would have to be added as a filler, most likely kurt thomas.
Dakota, this might be the worse thread ever started by you. First of all, Manu is the DEFINITION of a SYSTEM player. The other teams focus on Duncan and Parker.
By trading for Manu you are basically saying that: Manu can average more than 28 ppg vs a hoard or jazz defenders such as Kirilenko, Harpring, and Brewer. As well as he can involve a young group of rookies and a 47 y o center to the point that it goes to 6 games, mostly w.o you starting PG Not possible, MAC is top of the line when it comes to passing wingman Age wise...Manu is in his 30s can't you see his bald spot? Manu averages the minutes of a 6th man...what makes you think he can play the role of a starter 100% of the time? If he has been PROVEN to break down when given overly minutes on a consistent basis what makes you think he will prosper here? No to Manu and YES to Brandon Roy he has the potential to become a McGrady type of player and he's only 22ish
after this playoffs, they would. if you saw the coaches' interview in game 4 last night, pop looked pissed when asked about manu's performance. with the way his body is deteriorating and his inability to perform at a high level on more minutes and even one day rest, either you get a better backup and play him even less minutes in the reg. season (24-25mpg). manu is a very good player for what he does. but for a 30mpg player, $10 he's being paid right. i would love to have him come off the bench with landry and bobby, but no way is he a 2nd best player type of guy. you can see throughout his years that there is a reason he doesn't play more than 30 mpg in the reg. season or playoffs. he just can't handle the load.
Replace Manu with T-Mac on this team and there is no way in hell this team has as much success as they did this past regular season. To answer the question: NO!
he didn't shoot well, but you have to take into account rafer not being there and he was being pressured playing both PG and SG. he shot around 46% from games 3-6 when rafer returned. like you said, he could have shot better in the 4th, but you also have to take into account he was doing everything humanly possible as one perimeter player can do on this team, playing with 2 injuries. and please, 43% is not that bad considering the type of defenses he faced and how he wasn't healthy at all. he did everything well all across the board, along with his points. are you saying lebron should be traded for shooting 39% in the playoffs? . great players dominate despite shooting poorly. tmac did his job. had rafer played every game, there is a VERY high possibility we would have won.
What did Manu score last game? 6 pts? I don't think Tracy ever scored that low in a Playoff game in his life.
Chill, we all know if the rockets win when it counts next postseason DD and everybody else on this board will be speaking more highly of Tracy Mcgrady than the groupies walking around the Toyota Center after games. By then this thread will be long forgotten. He knows that. Winning solves all. When you're losing everyone says everybody, except for those who hustle, those with potential and and those who work really hard, sucks. Since most people seem to think Tmac doesn't fit any of those two categories he is in the doghouse right along with Rafer and almost anyone not named Yao, Scola, Landry and Brooks. Honestly if this team had won a championship as currently constructed you wouldn't here jack about Tmac.
