Right, let's resort to a stupid hypothetical poll that you made up in your head. Afterall, you have nothing else to offer in the form of a legitimate counterargument. Based on completely objective analysis of both players, choosing Manu under almost any circumstance is delusional. Your "In the fourth quarter" argument is equally delusional because you assume that either player would be paid a significant amount of money to play only 12 minutes of each game. If you want a franchise player, then picking Manu guarantees you won't even sniff the playoffs. He is NOT a franchise player and he is NOT fit for that role. Now, if all the Rockets needed was a 'third option', then may be he would be a better fit, but even then I would argue that a McGrady playing 25-30 minutes a night for his entire career is a lot more dangerous (and healthier) than a Manu who does the same. Can you imagine T-Mac playing his whole career as a sixth man, not having to concern himself with 'conserving energy' or pacing throughout the game? Of course, when on the floor, he would still command a double-team on many nights, something Manu has never and will never experience. Again, feel free to keep drinking the Manu kool-aid, but it's absolutely silly to even put both players in a comparison, because they're not comparable at all, and both play completely different roles for two completely different rosters, so any comparisons we make are based on the hypothetical of Manu being a franchise player, which -- of course -- any sane person knows he is incapable of doing. McGrady is a proven commodity in that role, Manu isn't.
Doesn't anyone see how manu plays when playing big minutes? Haha, apart from game 3 in the Lakers series, Manu has been useless. Please if you honestly think that Manu, playing along side the best PF to ever play the game can carry a team, you know nothing about B-Ball. To DD on overrating TMAC, it is quite the contrary.
Hypothetical Poll on an impartial teams website? I think not ! And huh, 4-1 in favor of Manu...... Outside of Houston, Tmac is not as highly thought of as you think. And I don't think Tmac is a franchise player any longer, that is the point, he is a VERY good player, a star player, but NOT a super star player...at least he wasn't this past year. DD
I love Manu and many seem not to understand his qualities, but he's no match for TMac. Now, if we were talking Tim for Tracy..
I think i would favor a nationwide poll than a poll on a fan site, made this postseason of a team we played this postseason. It doesn't really tell you much.
The point was that Tiger made an incorrect and rude assumption and that other fans do not think so highly of Tmac, and due to some serious rose colored Rocket glasses people are valuing him too highly, IMHO. DD
Overvaluing him? How about undervaluing? Tmac isn't the player he once was. But he is still better than 90% of the players in the NBA. There are only a handful of guys who can command double and triple teams everytime they touch the ball...and is one of the only non-PG's that can consistently make the perfect pass to the right person. Does he have Kobe's killer instinct? No. Does he have LeBron's strength and burst? No. But MANU?????? Manu is a great player, despite his flops, but look at how awful he plays hurt...TMac had two surgeries after the playoffs and still played much better than Manu, a player who benefits greatly from Tim Duncan getting double teamed
And doesn't Tmac benefit from all the attention Yao gets? Look, it is apples to oranges..... And Tmac did great in game 6 against Utah, and was pretty good the rest of the series, but he is not what he once was.....clearly. Now, maybe that is due to injuries, we shall see. I do not think he is a Superstar, because of his lack of competitive fire. DD
Basically Manu is a much more entertaining player than Tmac. People love to see his "heart" and clutch and aggression and competitive spirit. I could care less give me the better player, anyday. I really think the Lebron to Kobe comparison fits perfectly here. The differences fg% and attacking nature, yet Kobe is the more complete player. Im sorry that you don't like our star but you have to realize that trading him for an equally aging and injury prone less complete player is not the answer. Sometimes i wish we would just trade Tmac so we can stop hearing all of the complaining just take him for what he is. We'll all be sorry when we have some young slasher that everybody fonds and can't do much else. I used to hear Iguodala alot. Lets get him.
No. He didn't get that the majority of this season. Manu doesn't get doubled and isn't a great creater/passer but is a better shooter and plays harder. I agree he isn't Orlando Tmac anymore, but he's a better player than Manu. And I agree about his lack of competitive fire...it's very frustrating
I think we are pretty close to agreement, Yao played 55 games, which is 67% of the games this year. I think Manu and Tmac are a lot closer than people think. And I am not the one bringing this thread back after a bad game for Manu in the playoffs. That is just Tiger, he clearly has a not so hidden agenda. I am just glad that a good many fans of the Rockets are dealing in reality regarding Tmac and not the past. DD
this is a tough one. if the question is, would i trade them in their current condition and age, i would have to say "no". i think T-mac's got more in the tank than people give him credit for.
Obviously Tmac isn't what he once was and, by your standards, is not a Superstar. Who cares, he's still one of the better players (better than Manu) in this league WITH injuries. ...and no he really doesn't benefit that much from Yao. That's a huge part of the rockets' problem. Neither of them get any better when the other is on the court. If anything they seem to play eerily better w/o each other. Opposing teams pretty much just double them both.
i guess i can see the argument for them being closer than some may think they are both top 5 SG's. Kobe Tmac Wade Manu Roy?
um think about that poll DD. the jazz is a team that is team-oriented and does not rely on a superstar. they win more on team balance than anything. and jazz fans know that. adding manu off their bench would be icing on the cake. to get tmac, they would have to part with one of their big guns. think about the poll. ask teams that require a franchise player like the bulls or knicks or clippers or teams that desperately need that one extra guy to be a playoff contender. no way in hell they want manu.
LOL DD what is wrong with you? I think the only SG i would trade for tracy are Kobe, Wade, or Roy . Manu? Are you seriously kidding me? The dude is a bench player at best what don't you get about that? He is NOT a starter. Have you been watching the Lakers Spurs series? He played like complete crap apart from one game.
Ok here is best way to put it: What is scarier: Tmac, Duncan, Parker OR Gino, Duncan, Parker IF ANYONE HERE SAYS GINO, DUNCAN, AND PARKER I believe you are a complete idiot. Tmac is still a star, and Gino is ONLY THIS GOOD BECAUSE HE HAS A TEAM. If Duncan isn't getting doubled, Parker is driving in creating open looks. Stop looking at stats, stats = nothing. TMac took a much lesser team alot further than Gino could have lets be honest...
When you say "stop looking at stats", do you mean stop looking at facts/evidence? Because that's what you did in your post. Just made a bunch of statements without attempting to back it up. I'm not necessarily even disagreeing with you. But if you're going to be that definitive about something, you need more than assertion if you want to convince others with a differing opinion.
