Would you trade TMac for Manu?

How did this thread get so long anyways?

Btw, I don't know if this was mentioned but Manu is almost 31 years old.

 

Exactly, Manu won't be in his prime much longer since he plays such an aggressive style. He'll still have his jumper but we all know t-mac is the better player. He's still somewhat athletic and is a great scorer and passer. I guess I could say t-mac isn't in his prime anymore either but right now the nod goes to Tracy.

 

This thread is for people who do not understand Basketball!! I was listening to 790 the Sports Animal last month and this question was brought up by that idiot John Lopez. Lopez said he would trade T-Mac in a heart beat, for Manu Ginobli. Rocket fans let me say this, just because someone attacks the basket does not make him a Prime Time Player, It's what you do on the floor as a whole!! Does he pass, does he rebound, does he get other players involved?? Perfect example, Kobe "Freakin" Bryant. I hear people continue to say, how Kobe is so much better than Tracy, but after all he has done, he is finally starting to pattern his game after T-Mac. Look at their career numbers. it's very simular. At first Kobe use to be an attacker, a scorer, now he passes, he rebounds, he gets everyone else involved. THAT IS A BASKETBALL PLAYER!! Manu has one responsibilty and one reponsibilty only, to score. T-Mac has always, been a basketball player, however I'm of the belief that he has never had anyone around him but that's neither here nor there. But HELL NAW, I would not trade T-MAC!!

 

but who'll get you buckets throughout the game?

and if he can't score, who'll make plays?

like i have said, manu's role is VERY simple on the spurs. it's easy to do your job when you have 1 ROLE, which is to attack recklessly in the 29-30 minutes he's out there. he's not asked to do much else.

 

no. and I don't want Boki or Gerald either

 

ummm, no....just look at what the Manu is doing right now.

When has he ever averaged more than 25 ppg and 6 ast in an entire season.

 

he can if you EXTRAPOLATE his stats like he's playing 35-36 mpg lol. i think that myth has been put to rest in this playoffs.

 

Any idiot that wants to bring this up is an extreme..extreme...extreme idiot. Manu at best is a 6th man, i have witnessed first hand how he breaks down when playing more minutes. TMAC is the reason this team isn't a lottery team every year. Take him out of the mix and a lot of the rockets fans are gonna spend most of their time regretting

 

Manu plays on the most successful team in all of professional sports.

It's hard to know what he would be able to do on another team where he has to take on a bigger role.

DD, he didn't lead the team to the WC finals. The Spurs are anchored by Tim Duncan and they have a strong supporting cast along with a great coach.

Even when Duncan is not putting up big numbers, as was the case against the Hornets, he is still their key to success in the long run. Without Duncan, the Spurs are nothing. Go back and look at any stretch of games where Duncan was out. The Spurs are clearly a different team. A player like Manu may have a big game here and there but he lacks the dominance and consistency to carry the team for a long stretch.

It's all about Tim Duncan. Not Manu, not Tony... Timmy.

Manu is a good player. I used to try to talk him down but at this point I have to acknowledge his talent. The question is whether you could build a team around him. He and Tony would be merely good players if they played for an average team. Duncan would be great anywhere.

 

The only reason I would even consider it is the salary differential.

As far as talent goes ... Mcgrady.

 

Tracy, easily. You guys have NO idea how much he benefits from having two of the premier creators in the game in Duncan and Parker. Those two make the defense unstable with one penetrating at will and the other in the post. I like Manu, he may be a much more efficient scorer than Tracey but outside of that he doesn't measure up. It is MUCH easier to find a player that can penetrate like Manu than to find a guy with a skillset of McGrady.

 

The only reason people would choose Manu over Tracy is becasue of health.

 

Is that a racial joke?

But seriously, i thought this post season was going to kill this argument (and this thread). When Manu has to play through knick knack injuries he plays like garbage and loses the game for his teammates. When Tmac has to do it he is still the best player on our team in more than just scoring.

We all love to see penetration (especially in the 4th) but that doesn't make him better than Tracy, i'm sorry. Why don't we just sign Ladainian Thompson if thats all you want?

I do agree with you though, if this poll was nationwide it would be in favor of Ginobli, but for the same reasons. You can't let you're love for penetration get in the way of all the other aspects of the game, of which Tmac is better.

 

All arguments for Manu are based on extrapolating his stats and completely underrating how valuable Tony Parker is. Dude cannot play long minutes, so extrapolating his stats is a silly argument.

Even using his playoff PER, he looks pretty bad:

Manu's PER for the playoffs is 29th, behind Rafer.

Manu's PER counting only players still playing is 8th; 3rd on his own team.

TMac scored a 24.43, ranking 5th, and had two surgeries right after the playoffs, so Manu's minor ankle thing is no excuse whatsoever. His injury are directly attributing to his herky-jerky style. It is who he is. He is injury prone, and is significantly less effective when not perfectly healthy.

 

I don't think it has much to do with Tmac. I think we've all seen enough of him to know what he is. I think the problem is that people often under or over rate other players. In this case i think your overrating Manu. Manu is just not as good as everyone thinks he is. Everyone just loves to see penetration. Even though it is very key there are other aspects to the game.

This is the same reason people try to say that Lebron and Dwade are on Kobe's level but their not. He has so much more to his offensive arsenal that they could only dream about. When someone decides to play smart defense against them and cut off their driving lanes they look terrible. The same thing happens to Ginobli. Not saying Tmac's anywhere close to Kobe level, but he has much more to his offensive game than Ginobli. When people cutoff his driving lanes he has a litany of other moves that will make them play him closer and open those lanes right back up.