Would you trade Shane Battier for Big Z?

Hmm Michael Beasley on da Houston Rockets sounds taaaastyyy

but even though I'd LOVE to have M-Bease on da Rockets Miami heat aint gonna go for Shane cos of his contract...they tryna get as much capspace in 2010 as possible and so they aint gonna touch anyone like Shane's contract.

But you know a D-Wade and Mr-No-Stats-All-Star is gonna rip it up on defense and D-Wade is gonna get 3 steals a game playing help defense while Shane covers his man tight and pressured.

But hey Beasley is currently in H-Town...hes getting depression rehab...maybe we could get him to switch to the Rockets so he can go rehab whenever he wants?

 

Of course I for one thought about the option of trading away Battier. But where does it say we get Fernandez for him? Even if so, I would not do it because I think there's nobody who plays position defense better than him and we need him to guide Ariza who is a good perimeter defender with his wingspan but he can still improve.
Without him and Deke whom do you appoint as the leader of the pack? Scola ? No offense not right now. Artest the flip flopper is gone. Hayes is good but not a leader.

 

First of all there is no way i would make this deal straight up, we would definitly need some draft picks or aj hickson in the deal.

second of all this would only happen near the trade deadline when we see where we are at.

 

Yeah heard it. Salary dump. Not gonna do it. Shanes worth more than a salary dump so stop asking. Unless some team comes and offers us a good deal for our players we arent going to just give them away for nothing and salary dumps. They can just forget it with the Knicks organizaions and asking about Tmac because we dont want the Eddie Currys for Tmac. Thats just rediculous and not gonna happen. Not gonna get Battier for another broke foot center. Forget it. Not gonna happen. Not gonna trade you Landry for magic beans either. if you want to do business you better come with some good players in return from your teams because Morey isnt gonna do business with you unless it hurts both teams a little. Even if we wanted it out of desperation Morey is smart enough to not do any of those moves. He wont even move Tmac for Tayshaun Prince and Chauncey Billups. What makes other teams and people from other teams they can get Shane Battier for backup role player instead of a potential starter? He didnt do Scola for Boozer. What makes you think he is gonna do Landry for some buster and salary dumps? Not gonna happen unless we get the better end of the deal or equal.

 

He might not even do Shane Battier for Fernandez straight up. They may have even offered that. For one Shane is a starter and lock down defender and Fernandez is a role player and 6th man.

 

Big Z? Salary dump. You wont keep Big Z and Yao next year if you have Andersen already. Thats already one waisted deal and non factor. JJ Hickson is more of the same Budinger and Jermain Taylor type project. Again another throw away player potentially. Two nothings for a sure starter. Thats a salary dump. It not only makes our draft lower if it works but then also get rid of them when we dont keep them. All we have then is money left and that just qualifies as money dump.

 

Yeah I do think Carl Landry will be traded as well. I think it will be soon in fact maybe around the begining of the season before preseason or at the deadline. Hickson is Ok but Battier might be better served searching for a big deal to throw his name into part of the deal instead of a small one. Thats just my opinion and what I feel Morey is looking for. I think he is looking for a name he cant pass up to include Battier along with others to make it happen.

 

I respectfully disagree with you,Yao Ming played 77 games,he is out for the entire season,as erratic as Artest was,he has more experience than Ariza.
2 games without Yao is a very small sample against the Lakers,but I can understand what you are trying to say. I also like the combo of Scola and Landry,but I will say this, Carl had a somewhat disappointing year even before he got injured. I like him,but don't see much upside in him anymore.

Luis is my favorite Rocket apart from Yao. If we can somehow get another big,who can complement him on defense,I probably won't not trade him, but I might explore a sign and trade for him after the end of the season,if we do poorly.( Chuck is terrific at times,but he is undersized. Dorsey won't cut it, and Andersen will probably be useful on offense only.) I'm not implying Z is that guy,although I admit the chances of getting more cap room is interesting while possibly getting a higher 1st rounder. I still am reluctant to trade Shane plus Barry and Cook for that though.

Trading Battier will hurt our defense,but where are we going to get talent for the future from? Can trading Landry get us a better player in return?

Quite unlikely IMO,and Pops is obviously not his replacement. I can see Yao coming back after a year.If the vets(Shane,Luis) aren't cutting it,he might not want to stay even if we get a lottery pick. See Wade's reluctance to stay in Miami as an example.

In that case, Yao will need to be traded,what will his value be at that time,no one knows but a contender might want him for the rest of the season ala Shaq. Tracy's expiring contract is huge,which makes him hard to move even if insurance will pay for him,provided he misses an X number of games.

Shane's contract makes it possible to move him,for the right deal. Luis is an expiring contract but makes only 3 M plus,which makes it harder to get talent in return,but it still might be possible. DM will have to be patient,but he should keep an open mind,and look for the right opportunity if it presents itself. Ultimately,it will come down to what Les wants. He wants to keep Yao for now and see where we go from here.

 

His points per game,probably might go up for the reasons that you have said,but his efficiency is likely to go down in Yao's absence.

 

I might start one when the season starts. Here's one I started last season that was locked:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=164178&page=1&pp=20

It showed that Battier was the 7th lowest scoring player in the league who regularly starts and plays. Two people ahead of him were rookies, and he played the most mpg out of all those guys.

 

No, I would not. I would trade Kwame and leebigez for some random posters on a random Cavs fan message board, though .

 

You must be high !

Until Beasley proves he is not Eddie Griffin part 2, I would stay FAR away from him.

The Rockets are not known as a place that troubled players grow up.......

Give me a productive Scola over Beasley at this point...every day of the week.

DD

 

Shane is such an unselfish player. He could easily average double digit points -- near 12 but is adept at setting up team mates and only shoots 3 from designated spots

 

id trade battier for a six pack of beer

 

Go look up games when yao or tracy has been out and shane doesnt increase anything points wise.

 

I don't doubt that,I'm assuming a slight jump based on increased attempts with an overall decrease in efficiency. He is not going to make a difference on offense.