Would you trade Sengun/Tate/2023 1st unprotected for Zion?

New Orleans didn't add CJ McCollum because they are tanking. They're in the play in now and their role players are already as good as anything we have to offer. I mean I'd take Jaxson Hayes and Herb Jones over Wood and Tate on our team 7 days a week - let alone trade Zion for them. That's just crazy.

The Rockets trash does not get other teams treasure, even if the other teams treasure has been on a stationary bike for a year.

The Zion-Harden situation isn't a good comp IMO. Aside from being 10 years ago, NO isn't really close to the luxury tax, doesn't have 2 superstars under contract, Harden didn't have Zion's injury history, etc.

 

There isn't much to discuss. They're all role players! None of them is remotely close to Zion's orbit. Even Sengun - come on guys. All NBA Zion vs. Sengun who is maybe - MAYBE - second team all rookie? It just defies all logic.

Though I'd gladly take Hayes or Jones over Christian Wood. A role-player stretch 4 and/or one who defends and a 6-7 3 & D guy vs. a mopey dude who thinks he's a superstar point center ? I'd gladly take either the former for the Rockets right now, especially given their ages.

Hell for Jones I'd probably give them Sengun straight up. He's exactly the type of player the Rockets don't have and he fits well with everything. Sengun is great but just a weird fit.

 

THe poll is now at 80/20 -Rockets shouldn't do the trade.

If you polled NBA front offices on this trade, it would be 30-0 in favor of "yes Stone do the trade and then flee the country until the statute of limitations on grand larceny expires"

 

That guy is not coming back and if he is it won't be long before he suffers more injuries. You can't completely dismiss that high possibility

 

So what - he's more likely to come back and play at an all-NBA level than Alperen Sengun and Jaesean Tate and the 10th pick in 2023 ever are.

You guys are assigning Bayesian probabilities on Zion's injury history - fine, but the probabilities on Sengun, Tate and whatever draft consideration ever even reaching all-star, let alone all NBA level are also very very low!

NO is committed to building aroudn Zion. THey're all in on Zion. There's absolutely no reason for them to acquire role players to put around ZIon like Tate/Sengun if they're trading Zion!

 

What gives you so much confidence in Zion making a career comeback?

Also my opinion of not wanting Zion has nothing to do with Sengun.

 

My priors are based on that it's unusual for beast mode superstars to totally become not superstars by age 23, even with a season ending injury.

Frankly only Derrick Rose comes to mind as somebody who didn't make it all the way back, though honestly I think his MVP season was kind of fluky. Probably less deserving even than Russ.

But again, I like Zion's chances to make an all-star level contribution over that of Tate or Sengun - because he's actually done it before!

 

Zion is carrying too much weight. Injuries will plague his career and ultimately he may get even larger. Hard pass.

 

We're clearly not going to agree here, but it will be interesting to see as the years pass if he can make a comeback. I don't wish for any injuries on him, so I'd rather be wrong than right on this one. But, Zion has way more than just weight issues that needs dramatic attention that will ultimately cut his career short. I predict by the time his next contract is over teams won't even want to sign him unless if it's on a Demarcus Cousins type deal.

 

I wouldn’t trade for Zion because he looks like a lost cause health-wise…we’d be paying him max money to rehab and miss a bunch of games

Stone would never be able to get him for a bunch of midlevel or irrelevant pieces like keeps getting mentioned on here tho

 

Zion is done. He’s going the way of Oden.
Sengun is a role player right now but has upside to be a star player on this team.
It would be stupid to trade him unless it’s for a legitimate star (that’s healthy)

 

We're already paying a star player to sit on his butt.

 

washed former star

John Wall we don’t even want to be here, but Zion I’d want out on the court dominating…it’s too bad Zion spends more time in the buffet line and in the trainer’s room than he does on the court

 

Sengun is 19 but his ceiling looks to me to be physical.Not tall enough to guard big men or protect the rim, not quick enough to guard on the perimeter.

His 3 point shooting is also still not good enough. At least that could improve

But that's Sengun.

Lol at the idea of nobody liking Herb Jones or him having a Tate ceiling. That's just flat wrong. Zac Lowe always mentions him. He's 7th on the latest rookie ladder, https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-march-16-2022-edition, right behind Giddey.

And finally, the ringer has a feature piece on him just today! I honestly didn't even know this until just now.



Is that enough consensus to form a "mainstream opinion" for you? I mean, the article speaks for itself in terms of the esteem in which Jones is held by NO.

What separates him from Tate btw is the fact that he can shoot and Tate sucks at it.

As far as Wood and Hayes- you can take joyless Wood and his meaningless double doubles and transition dribbles and cut him. I'll take anybody over him - Addition by subtraction.

 

I can’t get over how out of pocket this comparison is as if Oden averaged 27/8 on 62% eFG lmao

 

Soft No this guy hasn't found his way to the court and i don't mean the food court.

 

Has nothing to do with stats. Going the way of Greg Oden in terms of games played.
Oden played more in his first 3 seasons than Zion has.
Of course you had to have known that’s what was meant, right?
How good his highs are have nothing to do with how much he’s played. The kid is done

 

Greg Oden missed his entire first season due to a knee injury, and then was promptly injured again only 13 minutes into his NBA debut. Zion is pulling a Kawhi, not an Oden lmfao