I don't think that the Celtics will unload both Marcus Banks and Jiri Welsch for a first-rounder. If worst comes to worst, they'll deal Davis instead.
I'm sure Rudy T and JVG would be willing to sacrifice their careers just to keep from developing a non top 3 pick. If a guy deserves PT in the NBA, he will get it.
I disagree. Nelson played Howard and Daniels out of necessity; they were the only decent perimeter defenders on the team. They earned playing time. Boki, on the other hand, is a foul prone defender with bad defensive footwork. His shooting is erratic. He hasn't earned playing time with his performance on the court.
what is up with the infatuation with boki?????? He is a scrub, up there with the likes of langhi and all those other names that are too bad to even recount. I just dont get it, i have been reading this forum since its existence, never posted a message but i just feel like i have to on this one. get it through your heads guys, HE IS A SCRUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL. When you got to speak, you got to speak. I think the point is that people think that he has the talent to be a good player, but just hasn't put it together yet. True, that's what everyone said about Langhi (or so I gather, because I haven't been here that long), but maybe Boki can do it. You never know who are the ones that have it in them to improve their game. Personally I think he's got one more year to prove himself. If he shows himself to be a valuable contributer, then we pick up his option and maybe work out a medium sized deal. Otherwise, we'll just cut him loose and look elsewhere for SF help.
IIRC, we have to pick up his option before the season starts. I could be wrong, but I think that is how the rookie contracts work because that is what happened with EG.
Maybe if we expand the deal: Abdul Wahad for Spoon Nachbar+#1 for Howard They need a backup PF, and Spoon has one year less than Wahad. He may not be of much use, but he is infinitely more useful than Abdul Wahad. There are no backup PF's, and even Nowitzki isn't a full-time PF. Nachbar and a first is not close enough, but maybe wit ha Wahad/Spoon swap we can help them out... They are plannign on buying Wahad out anyway. At least this way they get a backup PF, whilse losing Wahad. Wahad can't do much for us, but with AG and Boki gone, he can be our backup I guess. We'll also get T-Mac to play some there, while Sura gets more minutes at the 2.
Hmm. I guess you're right. The Coon CBA FAQ says that the last day to pick up the option is Oct 31, which is right before the regular season starts. Well regardless of what anybody on the board thinks, we'll find out what kind of confidence the organization has for Boki by the end of preseason.
Switch TAW with Alan Henderson, and you may be on to something. I don't want the remaining 3 years on TAW's contract.
Sane, I thought about trading for Abdul-Wahad as well, by using Taylor, instead of Spoon. If, as Crash5179 speculated, Nelson would want a PF like Taylor coming off his bench, they might be tempted. But, trading Taylor away & getting Abdul-Wahad back would leave us thin at the PF position. Just having Spoon/Padgett as our backups, makes us a little small in that position. So, I'd be more comfortable doing a pair of simultaneous trades like this: Houston sends Taylor to Dallas for Alan Henderson. Houston sends Badiane/#1 pick to Dallas for Howard. Henderson has been injured a lot the last couple of years, but he gives us a replacement PF with skills for Taylor & we get a promising young SG/SF in Howard. Also, Henderson's contract expires at the end of the year. Since, we're swapping Taylor for Henderson (an upgrade for Dallas), I thought about trying to keep the #1 pick, but with Henderson's contract expiring, we'd probably have to include the #1 pick. Dallas gets an upgrade at PF in Taylor & acquires an athletic PF prospect that they don't have to put on their roster this year. That way, Cuban only has to buy out one contract, instead of two. He also picks up an additional #1 pick for a possible future trade. In any trade with Dallas, I'd try to avoid taking on Abdul-Wahad's contract. Not because of his contract, but because we'd have no need for him & he's been a frequent resident of the infirmary throughout his career. There is one other additional option that we could offer Cuban to entice him to do the deal. We could take Eschmeyer (about half of Abdul-Wahad's contract) off his hands for part of the TE. That way Cuban would not have to buy out any contracts. While Eschmeyer's not going to be much use to us, he does give us another big body to throw out there for some cheap fouls. Our revamped lineup could be: C: Yao/Mutombo/Eschmeyer PF: Ju.Howard/Henderson/Spoon/Padgett SF: JJ/Josh Howard/Nachbar/Padgett SG: McGrady/Sura/Josh Howard PG: Ward/Sura/Lue Lue, Eschmeyer, & either Padgett or Nachbar would have to go on the IL.
Henderson would fill a need to be sure.It's a shame about Alan's injuries,because he had big upside.Pairing Howard/Henderson would be nice. Trading Taylor is imperative ,but I still see him fetching more in the East. Even so,I might do this.Tough call.
That's the whole point. TAW is less desirable than Spoon to offset Boki+#1 being less desirable than Josh Howard.
The problem is that Dallas won't deal with us unless we help them out bigtime. We are long-time division rivals, and are fighting for the same spot next year - homecourt. MoT for Henderson is a wash. MoT is much better right now, but he makes 20M more than Henderson. So you either pay less for less or more for more. MoT for Henderson is a very fair deal. The second deal, Boki/#1 for Howard is in OUR favor. If this part was a fair deal, then we could just leave everyone out. But Dallas wouldn't do it, because the chances of picking up another Josh Howard type player with our pick is slim to none. MoT/#1/Boki for Henderson/Howard would be a very tough sell. But if we could do it, we'd be in GREAT shape. To help at PF, we could sign Popeye Jones to play a few minutes and be a good veteran in the lockerroom.
Did you miss that last part that I added at the end? We could take Eschmeyer off their hands for about half of the TE. Eschmeyer has 3 years left on his contract. The TE would wipe that off their books immediately. Also, I substituted Badiane for Nachbar. My thinking is that, Dallas might be more interested in an athletic shot blocking PF, than another 2/3. So, the deal would in essence be: Taylor/#1/Badiane/TE for Henderson/Howard/Eschmeyer. I guess, in the end, we'd have to take on Abdul-Wahad's contract to get Howard, & I'm not sure I'd want to do that. Oh yeah, one other thing. If we could somehow pull this deal off, we'd be about $8-10 million under the cap next year, when Mutombo & Henderson's contracts expire. More than enough to fill any holes that show themselves this season.
Forgive me for failing to see the sense in all this garbage. What makes you think after a solid rookie campaign that Cuban would have any desire what-so-ever to trade Howard? They essentially got their SF of the future as a near 2nd round pick. Why trade him at all.....especially to a division rival?? Getting Howard would be nice but i'm anxious to see how Boki will do in this new offense. JVG indicated he will work Boki into the rotation this season, so having JJ average nearly 40 minutes a night again isn't likely. He will get plenty of open looks. We already know how he runs the floor well and his game has plenty of versatility. I think he's due to break out and will have a great season. These trades aren't necessary and more importantly, won't happen.
baller4life, 1) Don't come into trade threads if you don't like them. 2) Why couldn't you have made your case in the first place instead of your "how about no" comment? 3) It doesn't matter if it won't happen, we would just like to know what kind of trades we're capable of, and which players would fit on our team in the future. Hottodie, I don't think we can afford to just take Eschemeyer off their hands for a part of the TE. We have used up most of the MLE, so I think we're pretty close to luxury tax as it is. I'm estimating we already have something like 51M in salaries, and there is no way we would go above 52M (I think that's LT territory?). This trade would bump us up to around 55M, even if it's just for one year, it's the only year we'd have to pay for. However, if Les agrees to this, I would even give them a CHOICE of Badiane or Boki to get it done (not that it would make much difference, but it helps.) I think Howard is on the books for just this season, then he's an FA. So if we have to re-sign him next year, from the 8M we will only have around 4M left, which is less than an MLE contract. Meaning, we'll have to pay him more than the NLE to keep him, which leaves little to shore up other spots. More importantly, I think Cuban can do a LOT better than this trade if he was going to trade Howard. For example, the Suns would do a Howard/Eschemeyer/Henderson for Marion deal. Fills TONS of holes for them, and they get out from Marion's contract for JJ and Amare. They also get a young SF who could immediately start in place of Marion.
