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Would you trade McGrady for Garnett?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Jun 19, 2005.

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Would you trade McGrady for Garnett?

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  3. Ask me after the draft

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  1. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    Could any trade that leaves us with Bowen as our starting SF be considered a good one? :confused:
     
  2. GATER

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    If the question would have been posed last summer or before, it would have been KG. I love the man's oncourt intensity...it's incredible and there's never a let up from game to game. He wants to win so badly...he even broke out in tears during an interview with John Thompson when discussing MINN's poor season. He took personnal responsibility for the teams' bad performance.

    That said, I'd stick with TMac. I don't always like the way he phrases things in interviews, but I think his heart is in the right place. Where McGrady has yet to close the gap between himself and Garnett is between the ears...attitude. I think he'll get there.
     
  3. franchise23

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    Exactly what i was thinking. I am not going to argue that T-mac is a better player than Garnett but I will make the argument that T-mac is a better fit on this team and with Yao than Garnett is. The Lakers (and 95 Rockets) proved that a good inside-outside combo can win you titles. The only time a set of "twin" towers has worked is when the Spurs won the title in the lockout season. Besides even though T-mac has not made it past round one I feel he is much more clutch than Garnett and can carry his team offensively for long stretches which is something Garnett does not do too often.
     
  4. ikfit

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    Absolutely, when I read this post , what i think is " IS THIS GUY CRAZY OR STUPID?"

    Tmac is more entertain than KG and more flexable to a team. He can do everything. He can d(dirk), dunk on Bradly, 13points in 30s ..........

    Delete pls
    this guy post this one is not a Rockets fan.
     
  5. Hottoddie

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    Nice to see the board hasn't changed much. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Baqui99

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    TMac single-handedly took the Mavs to 7 games with a team of Yao and scrubs. KG sat at home and held his nuts during the playoffs. Give me McGrady all day, and twice on Sunday.
     
  7. Hottoddie

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    Bowen played pretty good defense on Nowitski in the playoffs. With Garnett, Yao, McGrady, & even Bell doing the majority of the scoring, that would free Bowen up to be our defensive specialist. Kind of like Bruce Bowen does for San Antonio.
     
  8. steddinotayto

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    I don't know....KG is arguably better than McGrady but everytime I watch Garnett in the playoffs, he doesn't try to take over games like he should. There's been one too many times when he goes quiet in the 2nd half and defers to Wally, Spree, Cassell.....I think that's one of the things that would make me stop from pulling the trigger on a trade like this.
     
  9. giddyup

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    I wonder if KG defers as much as he is at the mercy of ballhandling backcourtmen like Sam, Spree and Wally who handle the ball more and, imporantly, first. I'm sure they consider themselves go-to guys in the crunch.

    Wasn't it Big Shot Sam at one point?
     
  10. CriscoKidd

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    It's academic because even if this trade were to occur, Ryan wouldn't be our starter at sf cuz someone who's better would be brought in on the cheap,

    BUT

    Ryan is a complete zero on offense. He can't handle the ball, can't shoot, can't pass, and can't even be relied upon to finish layups. And he doesn't make up for that with rebounding either. He isn't really a stud on d either, he just stays in front of his man and doesn't let anything easy go up, but that doesn't mean he wont get burned.

    Bruce Bowen on the other hand does just enough to make the defense respect his offensive game. And he is of course a much better defender than Ryan.

    Sorry, I don't like the spers but just the suggestion that Ryan be penciled in as a starter is just ridiculous imo. It was an experiment brought about by injury and Ryan was exposed badly. Ryan is a hustle guy who should be buried way down the depth chart for the special situations in which he would excel. Really he should be let go and the rox should go after someone else who could emerge as something greater, but we'll have to wait and see what free agency brings.
     
  11. CriscoKidd

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    No, that's just the way KG has been his whole career. He's had guys on the team like Peeler, Brandon, and other lesser guys who weren't exactly ballhogs. imo he needs someone to be the closer on offense cuz it aint' going to be him a majority of the time. I still consider it somewhat of a shame that Marbury decided to get away from KG because he fit that closer role perfectly. He was able to get his shot off on anybody, and KG did everything else.
     
  12. pch3lka

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    I didn't want to critic T-Mac and Yao. I think they're very good players. I just wanted to say that Houston will never trade them because of they possibilities and abilitiees. I said I won't and Houston also won't trade T-Mac and Yao because it will be stupid thing(treading such good players). I wanted to say thet treading to other team T-Mac or Yao is stupid thing.

    My English is not good so I please for leniency.
     
  13. blazer_ben

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    No... certianly not from for Tracy!. KG has peaked in his widow of cpportunity is closing Rapidly. while Tracy will soon just reach his peak. not to mention, tracy is probaly the most Well rounded player in th enier league now.
     
  14. rhester

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    NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
     
  15. tested911

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    Are you guys Serious?

    Who in the NBA gets how Many double doubles in the 20+ 20+ range... And were talking about Rebounds!!!!!

    Garnett is all over that ball in the paint.

    With all that said if the Offseason pans out to be a success in the Powerforward Slot then no.

    But if were gonna have another season where we dont have someone to bang in the paint then I'll have to say hell yeah make the trade.
     
  16. cenbo416

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    Meaningless talk.
     
  17. Desert Scar

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    For our 93-94 team Otis Thorpe was out 2nd best player, so you could kind of call it a twin tower team. At a minimum the team was an awesume front line combined with a veteran solid backcourt--and that type combo has won 2 titles in about 10 years, no a bad formula. In fact the 94 title Rocket team and the 99 Spurs team were not all that different except the Rocket team had a brighter centerpiece star (Hakeem > Duncan) and a little more depth.

    Tmac has never won a playoff series and KG advanced his team to the WCF. Yes, KG and his team had a subpar year, but TM doesn't exactly have a great case either as far as a proven winner.

    Overall, it is a tough call. Something like KG and Cassell for Tmac, JH and Ward, yeah, I think I would do it. Probably Sura or James in their for Ward makes it more even.

    In the end pairing the tall, strong, and skilled finese Yao with the athletic, tall and intense KG would be too hard to pass up. Yao, with the better low post game, and KG with the better all around game, rebounding, and defense, would be impossible to contend with on both ends. We would just have to look for good shooting, but otherwise average players for the 1-2-3 spots. I think with Tmac is going to be harder to find that long term 4 we need between him and Yao.

    But it ain't happening, particularly as we made a lot of strides this year, but if teams struggled next season something liek this makes more sense.
     
  18. steddinotayto

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    Tmac has never won a playoff series and KG advanced his team to the WCF. Yes, KG and his team had a subpar year, but TM doesn't exactly have a great case either as far as a proven winner.


    I respect you Scar, but you cannot tell me that KG ADVANCED his team to the WCF. If it weren't for Spree and Cassell and some glimpses of Wally, the Wolves would have been done after the 2nd round. You can argue that Yao and his collective talents is better than Spree and Cassell put together, but bottomline is KG wouldn't have gone past the first round if it weren't for Spree and Cassell.

    Their talents could be said to be a draw: KG is one of the best PFs in the game and TMac is one of the best SG/SF's in the game. But I have seen time and time again that McGrady will man up and carry his team down the stretch whereas KG couldn't/wouldn't. And that's the type of player that we need next to Yao. We haven't seen whether or not Yao can/will have that same killer instinct and to put Yao next to KG that's putting two timid players together and that won't work as well as putting Tmac with Yao. When Yao defers to McGrady, McGrady responds.
     
  19. Desert Scar

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    I am not saying KG has a great playoff record overall, but neither does Tmac. Still, KG was the man on the team who went to the WCF, and he was the principle reason they took 2 games versus the Lakers in the finals with Derrick Martin as their PG (Cassell and THud were gone). KG was playing well in all phases last playoffs.

    Whether having a great all around, superior defensive and athletic 4 around Yao versus a great all around but superior scoring in Tmac is hard to determine. If Yao becomes the half court 1st option force we all hope he does, I imagine the KG type would help him more. If he platues at what he is now (fine player but not really a dominant workhorse in the half court), Tmac as a superior 1st option (to KG or Yao) probably works better. I am just saying if I hedge my bets and trying to build the best title team, yeah I'd probably go with KG. It is a tough call though.
     
  20. steddinotayto

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    Fair enough. I'm not shorthanding KG as a player..he's a damn good one. But thinking about pairing him up with Yao ain't something that all that greater than Yao with TMac. Putting KG and Tmac together is a different story.....
     

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