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would you trade James Harden for Jimmy Butler?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Madclownpacasum, Jan 5, 2016.

  1. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة

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    Harden last year would have brought Butler and Taj Gibson or another above average player or good picks
     
  2. aussie rocket

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    Butler has leadership. Not afraid to call people out.

    He demands better of his teammates.

    He leads by example. He cares. He plays every possession as if it's his last - on BOTH ends of the floor.

    He is not the offensive talent Harden is - but he did just score 40 in a half. So there's that.

    Put a good point guard next to him and you would be set.

    I'd take Butler..
     
  3. adeelionaire

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    Yes as Butler makes his teammates better than Mr. Harden. And he plays D
     
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    Butler is a good player, possibly a great player, but Harden is one of the 3 best players in the league, and Butler isn't.

    So the answer is no.
     
  6. gumbleton3

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    Is Harden really one of the best 3 players?

    Last season yes, this season..........
     
  7. Codman

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    Absolutely...not.
     
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    This season he still is. He isn't as good as last season, but I think he's still one of the best.
     
  9. Caesar

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    LeBron
    Durant
    Curry
    Westbrook
    ADavis
    PG13
    KLeonard

    Arguably better or just as good
    CP3
    Boogie
    Blake
    Butler
     
  10. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة

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    The thing is Butler's star is rising and rising

    Harden's game is stagnating or deteriorating a little
     
  11. _Numberfifty

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    Initially my reaction was to yell NO, after that I thought of laughing it off.
    But then I started to think it over. Don't get me wrong Harden's a beast.
    ESPECIALLY on 2K. But he has at times been quite stagnant in real life.
    Causing our entire offense to be caught dead in the water.

    Then I remembered something I saw on the telly earlier. Some guys were
    debating if Dwight Howard is capable of playing like an allstar if he does'nt
    have the challenge of being the first option on offense.

    Because right now Dwight is like the 5th option or something and lets be
    honest. Ever since his touches go went down so has his effort, or so it seems.

    And I think that if you can get a Butler in a trade, you not only up your defensive
    flow. But you'll also make the offense more dangerous because of the different
    scoring options that will become available due to the redistributing of Hardens
    possessions.

    Dwight and Ty would be able to have a bigger impacts on games running a P&R
    system. And even when you switch Ty out with Beverley, Butler is pretty decent in
    creating a shot [granted that he's no Harden]. But can you imagine the backcourt-
    nightmare other teams would have to face, running into a Beverley-Butler combo?

    And maybe we could bait them into adding Taj Gibson who hasnt been seeing alot
    of playing time for some added toughness. If we'd give them Jones.

    That's "why" as much as I hate to say it, I would consider...

    Also, then we could bring McHale back. [No, not seriously... but maybe... #kidding]
     
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    I disagree about Davis (this season. As a prospect I might agree)
    Durant
    PG13
    and Leonard

    I disagree with just about everyone on the second tier list.

    However, once you get to the top echelon of players it's hard to keep it purely objective.
     
  13. _Numberfifty

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    Minus the Taj Gibson part...

    I just fact checked that and his minutes are fine.
    Still would like to have him though, tough cookie.
     
  14. Phreak3

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    The problem with Harden is that every other year he could be going through these same mental issues. You don't know. At least with Butler, you can count on him wanting to win all the time.
     
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    Talent isn't everything. As we are seeing with our rockets this season.

    If we enquired right now, I don't think the Bulls do it
     
  16. DreamRun95

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    Yes. Intangibles matter. If a team sees its leader trying hard to play defense that effort rubs off down the line. Defense has always been more important than offense.
     
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    Bulls wouldn't do it.
     
  18. dream2franchise

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    Are people just assuming the Butler is this ball flowing, unselfish guy playing within the offense and isn't seeking fame like Harden?

    Per Lowe:

    I guarantee, this team gets Butler, people here will find something to whine about.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14417182/the-bulls-trying-struggling-figure-are
     
  19. Liberon

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    Montrellz Harrell can develop and exceed Donkey Green.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    Harden had 3, and coincidentally* started playing like he didn't give a **** after 200mil.
     

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