Would you trade Hakeem for Shareef AND Big Country?

I agree with Ace. Reeves is not that bad of a player. Just because he is overpaid doesnt mean he is not even good enough to contribute. But like I said, he would have a hard time fitting in our system.

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Another question I would like to ask:

Do you think a team made out of our current crop, SAR, Big Country, and future draft choices can bring Houston a championship? If you have any doubt about this one, you must most definitely answer a strong NO to Clutch's question.

Why? Because, barring any other major trades, that's all we're going to have for a looong time.

To be exact, this would be the team to look forward to for a few years:

C Cato
PF SAR
SF Anderson
SG Mobley
PG Francis

Bench:

Langhi
Collier
Rogers
Williams
Thomas
Norris
Big Country

Remember, any other additions will come through the draft only (unless we make a trade).

If we don't make this trade, we'll be around $30 million in terms of the cap. The cap is estimated to float around $42.7 million for next season. This leaves us exactly enough to sign Webber as a Tier 2 max FA.

Webber or SAR and Big Country? Obvious choice, there. However, we're not certain of signing Webber. But, we would be able to sign Maurice Taylor to a decent deal and probably add another piece to the puzzle (perhaps through Marc Jackson)?

Our core would be the current one. Is this one better than our current line-up plus SAR sans Taylor? Of course not. However, it would give the Rockets room to tinker with their line-up. It would give us some flexibility in terms of trades and player transactions. Remember, this Vancouver deal would place us way above the cap, while the other options have us floating around the maximum allowed. Huge difference.

We also have to keep in mind that we're a young team with good chemistry. The current core has some great potential, and we have room to add through the draft and through minor trades.

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Rockets03,

Nope. Not possible unless perhaps Mo decides to stay around until he gains his Bird Rights.

It would be possible to sign Shandon Anderson only if he opts to abide to his current contract and wait until he is also eligible for Bird Rights.

Saying hello to SAR, however, most probably means saying good-bye to Mo Taylor.

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Francis/Moochie
Mobley/Anderson
Anderson/Langhi/KT
Shareef/KT/Los
Cato/Collier/Reeves

If Cato could stay healthy (big if) that could be one of the youngest most athletic teams in the NBA. That line up would cause a ton of match up problems for most teams.

At 6'9" Shareef is big enough to play the 4 and he already gets 10 boards a night. Shareef has a great inside outside game and avgs about a block a game to go along with his 20 plus points a night. And don't forget the guy is only 24!

I make the trade in a heart beat and And just work with Big Country's contract the best I can. And don't forget we have some a bunch of draft picks in the coming years to work with.

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It's funny to hear some of these rumours. Reef is way too young to be involved with any trade involving Hakeem. I haven't seen Hakeem play this year, but I'm sure you'll agree his time has passed. If you're Vancouver, you trade Rahim for a player of equal value (superstar staus)or 1rst round picks. Hakeem might like Vancouver, but in exchange for Rahim!?, it isn't worth it for the Grizzlies.

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The concerns about the cap space are all legitimate concerns. However, if we could get Chicago involved in a three way deal, we might not have to take Reeves. I say this because it has been posted in some other threads that Chicago is really interested in acquiring Reeves. I don't know if that's true or not. If it were true, Chicago wants Bibby & Reeves, We want Shareef & need a starting center, & Vancouver wants to reduce their salary. I don't remember the exact players that I used in REalGM, but Chicago got Bibby/Reeves & whoever else it was, we got Shareef/Othella/Miller, & Vancouver got Dream & some of the young guys from Chicago along with whatever draft picks would have to be thrown in. We would still have a very high team salary & would have to work something out with MO & Shandon, but it would give us a lineup of:

C: Miller/Collier/Cato (actually, I think he was sent to Vancouver in the scenario)
PF: Mo/Othella/KT
SF: Shareef/Anderson/Langhi/Walt (I think he was sent out also)
SG: Anderson/Mobley
PG: Francis/Moochie

I don't remember for sure, but if anyone wants to really know, I or you could go to RealGM & try it.

But to answer the original question, yes, I'd do it if we could do something similar to what I suggested above.

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Can't we waive Big Country when we get him in a trade.

I remember from the Scottie trade we got Stacey Augmon and we soon after cut him.

Am I correct when I say that if someone picks up Reeves after we waive him--(lets say Chicago does.) then we are not responsible for his major salary.

But please correct me if I'm wrong and try to figure out a way for it to work.

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I make the trade. Reef-Francis-Mobley would be quite an offensive trio.
Big Country is a big cap hit but honestly he and Cato could be adequate rotation at the C position, especially since outside of Shaq there are no great big centers.
So I would do it.

 

I would really like to get SAR on our team but I would HATE us to have big country on our team. It would make me sick. I think the last thing we need is to have his massive contract on the books for the next few seasons.

I like the sound of any deal that would get us SAR and send big country to the Bulls.

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I would do it in a heartbeat. Mo will resign with us next year and wait for his bird rights, i'm convinced of it. Chemistry is kicking in. The same is true for shandon. Actually nikestrad has already posted how this scenario works under the cap.

imagine a line-up of:

C - Cato/Reeves/Collier
PF - MO/Reef/KT/Los
SF - Reef/Shandon/Walt/Langhi
SG - Shandon/Cuttino
PG - Francis/Moochie

Bullard is gone next year, and we would still have the leftovers of the pippen trade, Los, Walt and Cato to work a trade with. Of course, one of them (or more)would be packaged in the trade that gets us Reef and Reeves. Or maybe Kt, but if KT goes, i bet Othella comes in.

If Cato can stay healthy for awhile he actually is a tradeable commodity. If we can pack Los and/or Walt with him, say hello to some cap relief by picking up guys in the last year of their contracts.

We have, IHMO, a much greater shot of working this scenario, keeping our core and adding Reef, than signing Webber next season!

There's arguably just ONE hole in that line-up, C, and it can be added through the draft.

Cap is not all it's hyped to be. Specially with a free agent class as thin as next years.

do the trade NOW. Even Reeves isn't as bad as some people are making him out to be. He just dumped 31 points the other night.

WAKE UP and stop dreamcasting about webber!

A Reef/MO combo at the 3 and 4 is FAR better!

IT IS WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION!

I just don't want to look back next season at how FOOLISH we were waving Hakeem while we are sitting at TONS of caproom with NO free agents to sign!

IMAGINE a team with freakin FOUR go-to guys on the floor at the same time! How do you defend a team with Cuttino, Francis, Mo and Reef? FOUR guys that demand a double team!

We would be what portland was SUPPOSED to be, but with YEARS to mesh together! The league would be OURS for the taking!

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All I know is that I don't want to watch this team muck around for two or three more years with draft picks. Romper Bomper stomper boo, tell me tell me tell me do....
If Chicago actually wants Big Country, then I like that scenario. I don't think it's too far-fetched because Chicago doesn't play Crawford AT ALL, Fizer VERY LITTLE; I could see those two going to Vancouver for Bibby. This would involve Vancouver blowing up its team, of course, but the Grizz just might do it, all things considered.
Dream + Cato + pick(s) + Fizer + to VANCOUVER, Reeves + Bibby to CHICAGO, Shareef + Brad Miller to HOUSTON. I'm sure I missed out on some pieces here and there, but that's decent.
Will it happen? Who knows.
If we took on Big Country, he just might pleasantly surprise us, though.

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Something I haven't mentioned: there are some teams out there hard-up for a center with deep-pocket owners (Portland, Dallas, maybe Phoenix). Unless we fear one of them sabotaging our deal (think: Mark Cuban), we might find a taker for Reeves. How much does Sabonis make? When does his contract expire? Etc.

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No, I would not make this trade.

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Adding Bryant Reeves an his 48 million dollar contract would be the worst move this franchise could possibly make, ever. We're in our second year of rebuilding...really first. Why panick or become impatient, now? Rudy and his staff have done an unbelievable job in drafting and acquiring the kind of talent that most GM's would die for. I mean look at the situation were in. We have a monstrous load of cap space, sided with a couple of decent draft picks, all for a team that already is good enough to win on talent alone. What more could we ask for? Everything involving the rebuilding process, so far, has been done to perfection, lets not screw it up, now.

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Yes, I would do it. This creates problems with the salary cap, but only if we keep Cato, right? If fat country comes here, then the Rockets should move Cato. I don't think Reeves' contract is nearly as bad as Cato's. At least he plays in games. Cato hasn't made a contribution to a game all year.

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I wouldn't really want BC's contract. Do you think you could give 110% and play as a team if you knew someone (a goof) was making a huge amount of money. They only way it wouldn't bother me was if I was making more. Les won't go there.

Shareef...good to great...but not if it includes the above.

Hakeem...trade him if HE wants...If we can't get something better than above, make him ride the bench for his final days here. No waiving favors if this is how HE repays an organization that's been more than fair to him.

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I think I'd have to make that trade. Rahim is a 20 & 10 guy that doesn't demand alot of shots (only 16/game). He's got a definite post up game. That's something that none of the current Rockets have. He's also a pretty good passer for a big guy. A trio of Francis, Mobley and Rahim would be a great foundation for the future.

As for Big Country, I've got to agree with some other posters. He's not terrible, but he is over paid. Look at his stats from his first 3 years in the league when he was in shape and playing 30+ minutes/game. He averaged 15 to 16 pts/game, 7 to 8 rebounds and shot between 48% and 53%. Those are not superstar numbers, but he can contribute. Also, look at his numbers in the last 3 games once he started getting minutes again:
31pts/8 reb, 13pts/16reb,13pts/10 reb. His contract is obscene and I'd never even consider taking on if Rahim weren't also included. But if I'm getting Rahim in the deal, then I'd take Reeves and hope that he's excited about going to a new team and playing much closer to his home in Oklahoma and will get in shape.

As far as our free agents. We have early bird rights on Anderson, so he's eligible for a deal similar to Mobley's. That should be fine, since I can't imagine the Rockets paying Anderson much more than Mobley just got.

As far as Taylor, we could offer him the middle class exception which is expected to be $4.5M next year. Somebody could offer him more, but I personally wouldn't go much higher than that anyway.

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Webber is a longshot, especially knowing his desire to play in the East, but I'd rather gamble on Webber. Francis and Mobley have shown the ability to sell the program. Rudy is an easy sell to Webber. He fits in well so we should take a chance on the perfect fit. Webb doesn't demand the ball and can score on put backs alone. Anderson has shown he can handle the three even with a small front court. I'd say that Anderson's improved play changes everything. He is every bit as talented as Reef and can finish on the break and in the paint.

You've got to ask yourself.

1) How far can we move up in the draft and who is available at C and PF? Maybe this is where its at. I haven't given this any thought.

2) Who are the big free agents in 2002? If we miss Webber, who is available next offeseason.

3) Can we trade for a PF during the draft?


Even if we don't get Webber, we will have plenty of options with little to no risk. We don't have to take a crappy deal if we don't want to. The deal for Reef and Reeves stinks and smells. We all know that. It Restricts the rockets and who better than VanCouver to do it. We can do much better....but Reef is a great player. I just don't think he fits in here with Anderson playing so well of late. Things have started to heat up. The chemistry just arrived. I think we can all see it.

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I love Reef, but I understand the value of cap space beyond signing our own free agents and going after Webber. Big Country is a guy that will not only eat up space but be a virtually untradeable commodity. At least with a guy like Cato, teams are willing to take a chance on him because of his potential. Big country, not.

Taking on Reeves means keeping an average player on the cap for a long time at a far-too-extreme salary with no options for trades.

I think it also sends the wrong message to your own players. How is Shandon Anderson supposed to take $3 mill per year when a big fat stiff is making $10 mill. Or Taylor, or whoever.

We will also not see any free agent moves besides re-signing our own before he is off the cap. That's like having no 1st round draft picks for 4 seasons.

Pass.

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HECK YES !!!

There is no guarentee that we would get Webber.

I would take Reef, and then teach Country to be a decent role playing backup.

A bird in the hand gentelmen.

All you have to ask yourself is would the Rockets be a better team with Reef, or Hakeem.

Reef is like 23....the answer is obvious.

DO THE DEAL !!

DaDakota

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