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Would you trade for Joel Embiid?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by shakes05, Aug 21, 2023.

  1. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

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    Moron.

    Just a hater.

    Nobody cares about your stupid hate.

    I certainly don't.
     
  2. astrosrule

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    LOL what? because i don't want embiid?
     
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  4. ApacheWarrior

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    No, for your shock jock take on KPj.

    *Player 6'5" frame
    *playing point guard for the first time (2 yrs at position)
    *Packed paint caused traffic in paint forced facilitators
    to be jump shooters
    *Packed paint caused traffic making it difficult to pass
    down low with all those defenders. This need for lob threat.
    *Gets you more rebounds than most PG's.
    *Gets you more blocks than most PG's.
    *Frame allows for switch everything defense.
    *Dunks better than most PG's.....leads to greater
    slasher/cutter option than most PG's

    Flaws
    1) Dribbles the air out of ball
    . KPj improved on that from
    year one as full-time PG to second year as full-time PG.

    Raptor fans say VanVleet dribbled the air out of the ball.
    Consider that when looking at stats (started season as off ball threat)

    Ime Udoka will fix that ball holding stuff.....KPj will shine. Build trade
    value for KPj.

    2) defense. Nobody played defense while we were tanking
    the last two years. KPj can play defense and KPj won't play
    if he doesn't. Udoka is defense first.



    You just don't want KPj to be successful and it comes out in
    your postings. You don't want him with:
    1) Team with multiple 3-point shooters
    2) Team has spacing
    3) lob threat (giving vertical spacing)
    4) vets that know how to push/pull to create passing windows.
    5) team not tanking

    That's being a hater.

    I don't wish Sengun being sent to a loser. I want Sengun to get the best
    chance or opportunity available. Prove me wrong. I don't say Sengun
    will fail on offense......it's his defense I feel will be the biggest team
    flaws. Drop coverage. I watched the Nuggets games in the playoffs.
    Jokic went into drop coverage and every team not taking advantage
    of Jokic not wanting to pop out and contested that corner 3.

    Warriors would have made the extra pass where the other teams
    like T-Wolves. Suns, Lakers and Heat did not make that extra pass.
    I saw time and again Jokic either not making an effort or giving
    token effort.
     
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  5. astrosrule

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    oh because i said kpj shouldn't have a say in trades? absolutely he shouldn't, he has done nothing so far. He has had one season where he played at a rotation level. Should every single player have a say in trades? Did the warriors need to talk to poole to make sure he was ok with the wizards?
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    So tanking is a valid defense for KPJ not playing defense, but not for Sengun?

    BTW, Tari and Sengun were our two best defenders.
     
  7. DatRocketFan

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    Center generally is hold to a higher standard bc traditionally they are considered the defensive anchor of the team which could explain why some folks are harsher on sengun defense than kpj
     
  8. Easy

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    I don't agree with you very often. But I definitely agree that we should hold on to Cam Johnson. One of my favorite players. :D
     
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    Embiid has been the rare player with early, major injuries who has been more durable as he has aged. Still, he gets hurt too often and has too many issues for a Godfather Offer that would get Morey's attention.
     
  10. Kevooooo

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    No. He’s injury prone and it would cost us too much. Too risky.
     
  11. ApacheWarrior

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    Ugh....Whitmore not Johnson.

    Nice catch

    Whitmore is going to be a beast.

    I've pushed for drafting:

    Jalen Green = MJ/Kobe...I've said you don't trade rookie MJ x more proven Dominique Wilkins
    Jabari = Derrick Coleman (saw Jabari this summer league & I saw 10 pound lighter DC in prime)
    Tari Eason.....mocks had Bulls salivating over them getting him. Thought won't get past us.
    Cam Whitmore.....posted as early as June 2022 with Whitmore in our starting lineup future
     
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    I think we’ll know before the trade deadline how the NBA landscape has changed and if our team has become competitive as everyone predicts it to be.
     
  13. Corrosion

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    Just No.

    Injured far too much and closer to the end than the beginning.


    He's only good for about 60 games a year and not the potential 35 that matter ....
     
  14. LikeMike

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    The Rockets are not built for Embiid. We don't have the pieces around him to field a contender anytime soon. We have the pieces of a rebuilding team. And Embiid is too old to play the long game here.

    It would make much more sense for him and the Sixers to go to a team like the Celtics (for Brown and picks). This way the Sixers could build a team around Brown and the Celtics would be instant favorites.
     
  15. OremLK

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    Depends on the asking price. I think he'd probably cost too much. That Rudy Gobert trade really set a sobering precedent for what it costs to acquire a high-level big man, and Gobert is nowhere near MVP-caliber.

    But I maintain that there's a price where it makes sense as a win-now play. If we could do it and still hang onto most of our core and at least some draft capital, I don't see why that wouldn't make sense. I don't think it's likely we'll have the opportunity to acquire a better player anytime soon.
     
  16. Easy

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    The problem of getting Embiid is similar to that of getting Harden.

    1. The timeline is wrong. We are not a win now team yet. He has peaked. The only question is how fast will he decline.
    2. His huge contract lasts till 2017.
    3. Most importantly, he is not reliable health-wise and performance-wise in the playoffs.

    Dissimilarities:
    1. Harden is older but has better health history. Big men break down faster than guards.
    2. Harden could be signed out right. To get Embiid, you have to give up a huge amount of assets.
     
  17. ApacheWarrior

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    Sengun poor defense is due to lack of lateral quickness and foot speed
    in general, similar to reasons for Scola needing to call it quits and ending
    Jeremy Lins tenure.

    Sengun defense was best in approximately final two weeks of
    last season. But I don't think he will ever be able to play drop coverage
    and protect the corner 3 when teams make the extra pass.

    It's virtually impossible for the other 4 players to
    cover the entire perimeter with a center just staying near
    the paint. Especially when the league is considering extending
    the perimeter with a 4-point line.

    A 4-point line will effect Jokic, Embiid, Sengun, KAT, Gobert
    defensively as their teammates will need the mobility
    of that big to cover more ground.

    KPj still fits in the switch everything defense despite the hate by
    you and others......Defense is a hard stat to quantify.
    When talking about DefRtg or Defensive efficiency, one often
    is talking about, "who are his teammates?"

    So when you speak of Sengun defense, you have to understand
    Sengun didn't cover a lot of territory and his teammates he had
    to leave their assignments in order to help Sengun. Thus the
    stats of Sengun are of teammates sticking close to
    him as a means of protecting him. Trying to keep
    him out of foul trouble since he was our only true
    Center with some meat on his bones.

    So when you say Sengun defense.....i hear blah, blah, blah.

    Much like when a 1st baseman has little to no range
    or foot speed.....the 2nd baseman has to cheat over
    to help protect the 1st baseman's defense or lack thereof.

    1st baseman lacks speed so you keep him close to the
    baseline. Jokic, Sengun, Embiid are slow.....so you try
    to keep them close to the rim. Everyone else has to
    put themselves off to help said big center. Making them
    look bad defensively since their assignments get lost
    and open for 3's or slash to the rim.

    I know you know all this, but you have to play dumb in order to push
    your Sengun is a god agenda. Anyone with two eyes last year
    could see Sengun defense was piss poor.
     
  18. Joe Rocket

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    That wouldn't be enough
     
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    Lol obviously. I knew it was pipe dream. But if it was just that I wouldn't care about him being 30 and injury prone. I'm pulling the trigger.
     
  20. Vaudrick Owens

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    Hell NO!
    I WANT TO CONTINUE GROWING OUR YOUTH CORE. HE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING.
     
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