Sura + 1st rounder for Stoudamire In a heartbeat, Portland gets a legitamite NBA player for Stoudamire + 1st round pick. If portland loses stoudamire, they at least need a body to replace him. All they have at point guard will be telfair and the rookie Jarrett Jack. Sura just gives them another ball handler.
You're way to generous there. Stoudamire just doesn't seem like the right fit for the Rox. He's undersized, and isn't a good defender to begin with. JVG likely wouldn't make him a starter. At best I think he'd be an energy guy to come off the bench, but we have Mike James for that who does it better given his bigger body, and defensive demeanor. He still has the ability to create his own shot as well.
i love bobby and james. however damon is a better PG. bobby's 10-5-5 was a great help. if damon can bring us 10-2-8, then i would say he is worth it. sura will not get 5 rebounds a game with stro on board, nor will his assists go up because he isn't a play maker. while the question is would i trade sura for damon striaght up (and i would) i don't see why we have to. wesley for damon works better for us and gives damon more money while giving the blazers an ending contract. everyone is happier.
Sura is the only one of our guards I consider to be untouchable this offseason. The Rockets played completely listlessly when he was out of the lineup at the beginning of last season. He was the team's on-the-court motivator, a fearless player who inspired a lot of confidence in his team. As a guard, Sura is our only tall defender, a valuable rebounder and an enforcer. Those roles can't be filled by Damon Stoudamire or anyone else on the team. I really don't see Van Gundy getting rid of Sura unless it's part of a no-brainer deal like the T-Mac trade.
IMO, defensively, Sura maybe taller, but he is too slow to stay with most of the pg's out there. Mighty Mouse is too short to stop people from shooting over him or posting him up. SO, I think the difference is offensively, these two are worlds apart in terms of offensive ability.
I think if the Rockets are giving Stoudamire the royal treatment in Houston, they're probably doing it to butter him up so he'll sign for the LLE. If they already had a sign and trade deal in the works with Portland that would pay Stoudamire +4 mil a year, they wouldn't need to sell him on the Rockets since he's already made it very clear how much he wants to play here. CD has been saying all summer how badly free agents want to play here. If Stoudamire demanded a sign and trade, I would have to pass on giving up Sura. At least until the Rockets figure out what to do with Head, James, and Wesley. If the Rockets are going to add Stoudamire to the team, at least 2 of those 3 guards would have to be moved.
Do it. I'd trade Sura before Wesley. Our PF position is now solid. JHo and Swift will provide 48 quality minutes, assuming Jho's health holds up. Our overall interior play and rebounding will be better. Guard rebounding should be less important. DS is a better ball handler, distributer, shooter. Closer to a real PG. He is not that big of a defensive liability in relative terms. Sura is bigger, but at PG, it doesn't matter that much. Wesley is small, but a damn good defender and spot up shooter, if his legs are right.
Wesley is the weak link on the Rockets backcourt, if he can be moved for younger guard then it should be done. However, if you trade DW straight up for D.Stoud, that means we have to pretty much sign Damon to about 5 mil per, which I think is a bit high. On the other hand, if we get DS, you can bet your azz that it will be us trading either Sura or MJ (likely MJ, IMO) straight up for Damon, which would give Damon about $3.5 mil per or so, which is in the neighborhood of what the Rockets could afford. I think MJ will be the main bait for any team we trade with, especially since he is going to be a free agent after this season anyways and could bolt, so JVG might want to get something for him while he still can, and I would support that.
Wesley and a 2nd round pick for Stoudamire would be a steal. If they start asking for a 1st round pick I might start to get hesitant because that 1st rounder could be used to sweeten a deal up with our expiring contracts towards the trading deadline.
Wouldn't do it. Honestly, I don't see Stoudamire being worth much more than the vet min. He's not half of what he used to be. Maybe I'm putting too much value on Sura's intensity, size, and rebounding. Evan
Don't hold your breath. Sura's style of play doesn't lend itself well to remaining injury-free. He's kind of the Earl Campbell of point guards.
Man.......what a bunch of turn coats. Sura is the one guy who gave our team identity last year. Didn't take any gruff from the other team and after the body slam of Howard in the Dallas series he has etched himself as a fan favorite. We do not have to trade anybody to Portland for DS. He is a UFA so he can do whatever he wants. If he TRULY wants to play here then he will take the LLE for $1.7 mil (which is not bad) since he already got paid in his last contract for like $81 mil.
I agree. As I said before, IMO with the Swift signing, the Rockets are not in a position of strength, and not weakness, to negotiate with Free Agents. IMO, the Rockets will DEFINITELY get a Nick Van Exel/Stoudamire type for the LLE if they are patient, they should make it clear that it's a privilige for other veteran players to play with T-MAc/Yao/Swift, and if they oblige then good for them, if not then move on, th emarket at SG/PG is too deep to overpay for anyone. Hope the Rockets hold their ground with the LLE offer, or otherwise hope they can free some roster spots in the backcourt through trades to bring in the players they want, while giving up only the players that they can improve on at their particular positions.
The rockets would lose way to much toughness and rebounding in trading Sura for Stoudamire, I could live with giving up Wesley. Sura is just to valuable to this team. I see Sura starting at the 2 this upcoming season with maybe a guy like Greg Buckner coming off the bench. Sura at 6'5 can play both the 1 and 2 position, he is a natural 2 guard who played out of position last season.
I think DW was just as valuable as Sura. I think I remember several polls last season where DW was cited as being the difference in turning around the Rox season. DW was our most reliable defender and save the long rebounds contributed as much as Sura. I'd think Portland would prefer DW + pick rather than Sura anyway so I think we keep Sura, only stumbling block is if Nash demands a 1st round. SAR could do us another favor by going to the Nets for the MLE and not a SnT. Nash might then take our deal rather than lose another FA and get nothing.
For the sake of repeating myself, the Rockets should stick to their LLE offer to Damon or whomever else they want in the backcourt, and I guarantee you if they stick to their guns, we will have a valuable PG candidate who can pass and score, who's a veteran, and who has been through playoff battles before and will add intangibles to our team. IMO, Damon or NVE are two similar players, and I am confident we can get either of those guys with only the LLE. Rockets management, if you are listening, stick to your guns, forget a SnT deal unless it benefits you more than it hurts you. Damon is good, but not that valuable for us to give up any picks for him in addition to a player. I would like us to use our expiring contracts as trade baits in this case and see what happens.
I am not so sure Sura is even tradeable considering his injury/surgery situation. Plus I just don't see JVG trading him after he played hurt for us all last season. In any case, I would rather go for Antonio Daniels if we are going to do a sign & trade. Desmond Mason is a little bit of a reach for us, but he'd be a great addition. I would prefer to give up David Wesley over BS and MJ, since Wesley had a poor showing in the Dallas series. With the LLE I'd love to try and pick up Dermarr Johnson. Not sure if that would be enough to get Morris Peterson, but he'd fit in well w/ us, too.
Absolutely, Everyone in this team is passive. He is the only BUlldog (ala junkyard dog days of Mario) everyteam needs one. you can never win with bunch of passive players (nice guys), no matter how talented they are.
No, Mike James is the only guard (of our big 3) that I would trade for Stoudamire. If we trade Sura for him, we're stuck with two PG's that have pretty similar abilities and do not contrast each other well. Not that I don't like James, but Stoudamire/Sura I like better.
